Just weeks after it passed a new immigration law, there’s a new controversy brewing in Arizona.
Gov. Jan Brewer approved a measure Tuesday that bans classes in elementary and secondary schools that are "designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group" and advocate "the overthrow of the United States government" or "resentment toward a race or class of people."
Read the full story here.
We want to know what you think – should ethnic studies classes be banned?
Post your comments here. Kyra will read some of them on the air during the 10am ET hour of Newsroom.
Doesn't anyone recognize that Arizona is the front line in the war against the invasion of our country? The new law simply codifies into state law the present federal law. Arizona's hand was forced by the refusal of the federal government to protect its citizens in Arizona. But, it's all part of a larger scheme to open all North American borders for the new North American Union. Quite honestly, those in our government who refuse to protect U.S. citizens are, in the strictest sense of the word, traitors to this country and to the oath of office they took.
This law is absolutely racist. America is a melting pot of all races. To say that ethnic education "promotes. resentment" is an ignorant statement and suggests that any one person of any ethnicity is incapable of nothing more than ignorant vengeful acts and violence. This kind of thinking from those who were appointed or elected into power takes us back to a time that they ironically don't want Americans to learn about.
it's still okay to teach about white people's history, but it's illegal to teach about the history of brown people. Did I get that right? Are you implying that this is somehow a racist law? All Arizona is trying to do is erase the history of brown people. that's only 1/3 of their population.
I think it's a slippery slope. Who determines that these classes are teaching about overthrowing the U.S. or about preaching resentment about other ethinic groups? It is important for children to learn the history and experiences of different ethnic groups in America. Part of our history is the unfair treatment of the Native Americans, the internment of thousands of Japanese/Japanese-Americans, and slavery and racial injustice. We need to teach our children about the specific history and culture of different ethnic groups so they don't grow up sheltered and potentially closed minded.
I worry that is this law passes it will lead to teachers being fired for saying anything the school or state deems "pro-imigrant" or "anti-American". I don't want to be an alarmist but it sounds a bit like the start of a second "red scare".
What the heck is wrong with you Arizona? We lived there for 12 years and made many good friends. However, we will never step another foot into that racist state.
No teachers with accents, no education on ethnic studies. This is the year 2010, get a grip AZ..your cowboy days have been over a long time. I will never mention again that I once lived there, I don't want that shame.
Ethnic studies should be banned. Even if these particular course are innocent this land is too diverse to truly cover them all and they contradict the sort of society that Martin Luther King worked for.Having experienced them in Illinois and Texas at the college level they are little more than cover for promoting one skin color/race over others.
I am stunned to find out that there are classes in AZ that actually teach overthrow of the US government and that teach hatred towards "gringos" (the word they use in classes). Pupils in schools should be taught how to read, write, mathematics and history but not to hate other ethnic groups and hate towards the US gov't. I don't see how the law is more controversial or questionable than the classes taught !
Once again, I applaud Gov. Jan Brewer in her new effort to curb an issue that (in my opinion) promotes hate and racism in America! I believe that it is everyone's right to learn about their own heritage BUT without teaching hate neither towards this great country nor towards anyone’s ethnic back round. I find it both offensive and disgusting that opponents towards this new law would criticize Arizona in its effort to stop bigotry and hate in America.
This new policy is actually anti-racist and anti-segregation. Kudos to Arizona for taking this huge step towards unity. Would those opposing this measure like to see our schools segregated again?! C'mon people, we must start thinking like Americans and not continue to segregate ourselves into racial groups.
I'm reading the comments above...and I must say...This law to ban ethnic studies, should and will be taught in the school systems. Why? Because its Americas History, its not just a states history...it belongs to America...From Slavery to the forming of Arizona as a state...All students should and will have the right to learn of ethnic studies...Now what the good state of Arizona doesn't want is a Civil War on her turf...try ousting out Blacks and see what happens...We have been torched, lynched, enslaved and beaten our story will be told just as Arizona became a state and who the land it was received from!
The facts are the facts.
Ethnic studies courses theach the facts.
If students become resentful when they finally learn about the hatefulness and intollerance one particular group of people have perpetrated against those who are not exactly like them, then those are the facts.
It's a fact, white people do bad things too!
Teaching the overthrow of the US government sounds more like a class taught by home-school wackos.
I think some of you are missing the point. The ban is on specific ethnic studies classes not history. What this is doing is banning a racist class that does nothing but teach ONE SIDE of history.
A specific Latin America Ethnic Studies class is as racist as a specific White Studies class would be.
Fine Arnie, but do we have to segregate the students by race in order to teach history? There shouldn't be "white history" or "black history" or "hispanic history". Just history.
Congrats to Governor Brewer for taking a stand against criminals taking advantage of our country!! I love immigrants who come here legally. I love hearing about other cultures and learning about people's ancestry, BUT racism works both ways – there is no such thing as REVERSE racism, only RACISM. If you believe YOUR nationality is better or more deserving than any other, you are a racist. All students should be taught the erxact same history, balanced appropriately between the races, and all should be taught that people are people and skin color has nothing to do with it.
They should also be taught that they live in AMERICA and that, as citizens of our country, that comes first!! OUR flag, OUR colors, OUR country above all others. If you wish to have another country be first, MOVE there!!
Mary, I guess Cortez was just a nice guy that wanted to help the Aztecs eh?
There are NO innocents. Everyone has blood on their hands. You seem to be a prime example of the type of person that comes out of such classrooms.
No I think Arizona is missing the point of the picture. it sounds to me that Arizona doesn't want anything remotely related to ethnics in Arizona...and the state and its administration is playing a very dangerous can of politics. America will not be satisfied until she is in a war on her own soil and it will be the most deadly of any war ever fought in the History of the world!
The only separation @ Rick
That is taking place is the state of Arizona is putting these things into motion to defame the ethnics of Arizona. Any class taught in any school district is open to any student. Its up to the student to fit that into their designated curriculum...is this something you want to receive credit for..etc.
This ban which has taught, and teaches, the "Truth" that many wish to hide and go away, will be the very thing...that start the chaos turning in Arizona.
Yes... They should be banned on the School level and left for collage. Our kid should be learning Social Studies. Learning how to live together as one not individual cultures. It is the responsibility of their parents to teach them there culture not the schools.
I don't think it's right to deviate from facts and truths, but then Texas is being allowed to teach creationism now, and are working on re-writing text books. I can understand Arizona wanting to stop illegal immegration, but they may be going a bit far with banning ethnic classes.
This is getting ridiculously ignorant.
To ban ethnic studies, yet expect immigrants to learn English is just counterproductive.
People in this country are suddenly fearful of any differences? Are we returning to a segregated society? Beware; it might be YOU next time on the list!
These things are the beginnings of Nazism in America. And when are people gonna wake up and see that this terrorist stuff was created and perpetuated by our government to give the American people something to fear again? The Gestapo is right around the corner.
No, removing the ethnic class is a great idea,
I think Arizona is doing very well, the media is trying to make it not ok.
I must have missed it, where are the classes for English Americans, Irish Americans, German Americans, Swedish Americans, etc.? Guess they lacked a lobbying force when all this was created.
Unless it is done for all, ehtnic studies classes are by their nature raciest, exclusionary and bigoted. I guess diversity is only valued when it excludes whites.
I think the proof is in your report. Students (kids) don't know that they are oppressed until they take the class and are told they are being oppressed. It doesn't make sense to seggregate students at any time. Diversity and truth in the classroom promotes knowledge and understanding and diminishes feelings of oppression and discrimination.
Might as well block all of history and anything having to do with politics or world religions. Teaching is the way forward, we should never repress education. Instead we should be pushing our students to learn to practice good judgement and make wise choices for themselves and empower them with a well rounded education.
I doubt that these students are indeed separated- if I am Hispanic, I would naturally want to take a class on my culture to learn more about myself, but I would not be opposed to learn about African Americans. I did not once hear Mr. Horne (superintendent of schools in Arizona) provide an alternative for the issue. Instead of removing a vital part of the educational curriculum, Mr. Horne as a promoter of education, should have a better more reasonable solution. What about an all inclusive class that teaches about various ethnic groups throughout the year or approaching teaching History through a multicultural perspective rather than the predominantly European one we have been so accustomed to? We simply can not ignore the other side of our history and act like life has always been fair to all members of our society and that injustices don't exist.
Go Arizona! Finally, a state government with the courage to stand up for Our country and not trying to be PC! Stop the invasion!
The classes are open to all, and studies by the Tucson Board of Education show that students who participate in ethnic courses perform better on AIMS, the state's standardized test for high schoolers. Where's the problem?
When did we revert back to the '60s? People need to remember that YOU weren't here first. Native Americans were here... so maybe all of the Native Americans should kick everyone else out of the country. America's so proud and arrogant and you have no right to be! This country was built of ethnicities all over the world when it was first growing... why have we ignored that?
Ethnic studies are for other cultures to learn about specific ethnicity on an academic environment no to exacerbate old recentments within the same ethnicity its suppose to analyze.
The same happens within the black studies.
Parents have, and continue to teach the historical background to their children...The issue comes when the child gets more knowledge that goes "Against" everything they have been taught...then you get the curious mind of a child at work...and that is what this law is doing is trying to tone down, and tune out the truth of what each has been taught.
That is Americas issue she always wants it to be done at home, and not discussed in a educational setting because the truth out weighs every time, and that is what we have today...Truth Cover up in Arizona
Why stop at theses studies? Shouldn't tax payers in Arizona pay for Italian studies, Russian studies, Indian studies etc. This way our schools would have no time for math or science and , heaven forbid English.
I am only thirteen and african american but at school in American History sometimes they try to hide the oppression my people and many other people went through. Personally it hurts when They try to hide these things from us. So I think they should have these classes so people can see both sides of the story and gain tolerance!
Kyra, whatever happened to what makes this country great, the immense diversity and the cultures with it? Whatever happened to our beautiful gift from the French, the amazing Statue de la Liberté, and the words inscribed thereon: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Kyra, I was shocked to hear your personal feelings so aggressively expressed relating to the Ethnic Studies Ban. Firstly, if the young students are being radicalized to hate others, and to overthrow the government, then yes the classes should be banned.
All races should be taught the history of our nation ,good and bad history. However, that doesn't justify the content of the classes taught in Arizona Public Schools. Radicalizing these kids is greating more distrust and hatred. Apparently, that's what you want your children and family members to learn.
Report the news Kyra, don't make the news with your personal feelings.
Ethnic Studies in Arizona should be banned until the immigration issue settles down. The Hispanic teachers who teach these classes have been found to incite problems and not really teach history and tolerance. Changes need to be made before the classes are resumed. Just take a look at a viral video circulating on U-tube of a teacher at UCLA. This is a Hispanic individual inciting the most hateful and un-American, uncivil protests among Hispanics that could ever happen. We are all American and a lot of us are mixed races, but this trying to create a Revolution of Mexico trying to take over the US is unbelieveable. It is time for people living back East (not living on the border) to wake up to a growing and major problem!
Arizona has taken a step back in the education of her students. American history and literature should be taught as American history and literature which includes stories of all peoples, white and non-white. As White Americans have easy access to literature by White Americans, so should Americans of color. This access is achieved by ethnic studies classes. Most school curriculum do not feature very many stories of people of color (save for a few prominent ones).
As I watch CNN in general from Canada, I marvel at how it has become the official voice for the Whitehouse and it's policies. The reporters are progressives and they are playing a major role in trying to reshape Obama's America...change we can now all believe in and see very clearly now...what is happening in Arizona is another example of push back from the brink of disaster created by a government that is not only dangerous but that will change America in ways that can not be reversed...may God have mercy on the souls of those involved in this brazen attempt to go against the people of America...polls show the majority of people believe the new laws in Arizona are something they agree with...one thing for sure, the people see thru CNN and their ratings refelct the waking up of America, watch for their ratings to continue to slide...
Awareness of the variety of ethnic experiences in US history and the develompment of US culture is an important educational goal. The purpose should be to provide a context for understanding historical events whether good or bad. Our national objective should be assimilation, not separation.
Ethnic studies programs are inherently divisive. Each ethnicity winds up with its own proponents and the outcome is an inevitable effort to demonstrate superiority. Academics should be called upon to develop courses that bring students together through an understanding of their common roots. Too often "ethnic studies" become a platform for political action.
My question for advocates of HB 221...
Have any of you actually taken an "ethnic studies" class?
What is amusing is the whole basis of abolishing prejudice is being prejudicial itself.
Embarrassed, White, Middle-Class Californian
In theory, there's nothing wrong with ethnic studies.
In practice, ethnic studies is left-wing political indoctrination.
Of course there is nothing wrong with ethnic studies. And to my understanding, this law does not ban them. It bans course that foster ethnic resentment or solidarity. Some courses foster ethnic grievances and ghettoize ethnic groups by teaching them to regard themselves as separate from the rest of America. That has nothing to do with teaching history or literature. "Races", like white people, do not commit crimes. Individuals do and groups of individuals do. We need to stop thinking racially
I want to know who is going to be determining whether or not a certain lesson "advocates for the overthrow of the US" and whether or not a lesson aims to instill "resentment toward a certain race or class of people". The latter is the most scary. The history of the United States has very ugly parts that are not easy to teach. Certain people would like everyone to forget these disturbing parts, but they are part of our roots. The classes should not be banned but taught in a constructive way tgat engages students in dialogue and lessons learned.
I don't see any ethnic studies for Germans, Italians, Russians, Eskimos, Palestinians, etc. I guess they were already banned.
It does distress me to see angry Mexican kids coming to school and waving the Mexican flag. If that is where there heart lies let their bodies follow to their homeland.
While watchin a group of Mexican supporters parade by I asked the Mexican man next to me what that was all about. He said, "we, meaning Mexicans built this country.' I questioned why they Mexicans didn't build their own country instead of or also.
Ethnic studies and histories are a vital part of the United States. Its not the history that should eliminated but the racially inflamed intent of the class. Its time we do more for unity of our country and eliminate this growing separatism.
That was too easy of a target for you. A more thoughtful approach to the ethnic studies question might be the following. Should taxpayer money be used to support programs that are largely ideologically driven. The question isn't "should we teach about how groups of people have been oppressed?" but in what format should these truths be taught.
This information can be well integrated into American History classes. As some one who has spent the last 20 years learning and working on college campuses, these programs do indeed seek to create a culture of victimhood among minorities. This is often driven by a professor with, typically, a left wing ideology and an agenda. Why should the tax payers support this?
If you haven't been fully exposed to what is happening on college campuses you might think these programs are just being sensitive to minorities. That would be naive.
By the way, I voted for Clinton (twice) and Obama (once so far).
Castle Rock, CO
I do not understand why you are asking these questions Kyra while the pure tone of your voice and the words you are using clearly show that you would not be willing to listen.
It is not just studies for Mexican Americans it is all Ethnic studies that are seperate. Part of school is being 'forced' to take topics you normally would not to help open your eyes to more of the world. These seperate classes should NOT be allowed all students should take the SAME classes. I am tired of being racially profiled because my skin is white yet they know NOTHING of my ethnic background. This promotion of racism against white americans needs to stop! just like racism against any other color of skin. This is no long an problem of 'where we come from' but rather what color is your skin and if you have light skin then expect everyone to label you as 'white' which is the worst label someone can live with because jobs become closed to you, aid becomes closed to you among many many other things.
End ethnic classes and teach 1 class to ALL students and in that way giving ALL students a bit of education on each other.
Once again the news media twists a story for ratings. I am in the middle of this issue and you got it all wrong. This program is teaching the children to glorify revolutionary thinking and actually is inciting racism not helping to diminish it. This program has been removed for good reason and I was ashamed to have my tax dollars support it. The melting pot which made America had intentions to make people of all ethnics groups true Americans. What upsets Arizonians are people who try to change American culture to their own and refuse to join the melting pot and continue to drain the resources of our society.
Bet you don't air this.
I think Kyra nailed it on the head. While an American first, my roots are from Ireland. Learning about my history has been a study in tolerance and empowerment. By understanding history, we find our voice, especially in a thoughtful environment such as a University setting devoted to ALL ethnic studies. While Latino Americans have faced their struggles in the US, there is a history of oppressing the natives in the all the Americas. These courses should revearl the kernal of racism that exists deep in the human heart and expose them to thoughtful discussion or our dream of a racial plurality can not exist.
I just don't get it. Two things: First, I teach high school in AZ and have never heard of an Ethnic Studies class. Second, it seems obvious that no high school teacher should ever teach that one ethnic group is better than another, that races should be separate, or that the U.S. should be overthrown. I promote ethnic pride in my class. I expose all of my students to literature from various ethnicities. I encourage open discussion of both what we may be proud of or ashamed of in our country's history.
I understand totally the feelings of the minorities but lets put this into perspective. Why do we pamper to the immigrants? This is America if you dont like whats here then go back home. This is the stance the Australian Prime Minster said in Parliment. If you move to the USA then you should have learned to speak, write and read English before becoming a citizen. I'm orginally from the UK but now a citizen of this great nation and was appauld to find that during my citizenship cermony they were interupters present when saying the pledge of allegence to the USA. Outragious. Bascially if you don't like what's here and how we live then go back home, if you like it here then appreciate what the USA can do for you and come with an open heart to change yourself.
Kira ...just the news. I' m really not interested in your opinion or your efforts to shape the news. When it comes to stuff like this you never get it right. In your world the minority is the majority and the majority is thye minority.
Is this not the perception you are trying to create? Who do you think your kidding?
Ban ethnic studies in Arizona schools? Au contraire, my dear Kyra..
Ethnic studies should be made mandatory for all groups to attend
the studies of all groups, so that everyone will understand the history
and customs and cultural backgrounds of all the others. That would
truly be the American ideal.
I am currently a graduate student in Latin American, Caribbean, and U.S. Latino Studies in New York, and the ban of ethnic studies in Arizona has come as an enormous shock to me. I find it hard to believe that ethnic studies in Arizona would advocate for the overthrow of the United States government. So far I only see protests taking place, which is patriotic and constitutionally allowed. As for teaching racism, racism is a part of history in all cultures. I have spend my life learning about racism, through history. My first lesson in racism was as an elementary school student studying the colonization of the US and the treatment of Native Americans in the process. Teaching history does not equate promoting racism, it helps us understand our past as a nation and multi-ethnic society. Please understand the diversity of our nation and promote the rights of its people. We are all Americans.
This ban is atrocious! How will future generations know and be able to appreciate where they are if they don't know where they came from? History is what keeps us mindful of struggles and obstacles overcome, without it you leave room for it [history] to repeat itself. Removing Ethnic studies from the classroom, while I'm sure many will think it putting children on an even plane, will only serve to keep them ignorant to the journey of this country. It's not realistic or healthy to only teach the rosy and sunny side of American and World History.
To Arine ward.
I said to teach them "ethnic studies" on the college level, not the school level. It is a waste of money and time. Our kids need to learn important things to help them make in the "Real" world. Math, Reading and Science. Socal Studies taught me the difference of all cultures while I was in school. It teaches kids to be part of a team first then let them learn to be an individuals like the rest of us after high school.
All I have to say is... regular history classes are only showing one view anyway. I just took a Modern History class at my school, and it was mostly Euro-centric. What happened to Africa between the years 1500-2010? Quite a lot that we never learned about because we were busy studying Europe and American in a Modern "World" History class.
These ethnic studies classes offer a different perspective. If someone can prove to me that, 1) these classes are segregated, and 2) that they teach hate, then by all means get rid of the hate and segregation. But don't get mad that they're so centered on one view of history.
At the end of the day, all history classes up to the end of high school are Euro-centric and white American history centric. It's nice to have the opportunity to see things from a different point of view, and everyone should take an ethnic studies class at some point to open their minds.
Ethnic studies should only be banned when mainstream studies like U.S. History are revised to be more inclusive of the contributions of ethnic groups in this country and in the world. This new law is a perfect example of why we need ethnic study classes.
Michael – From Arizona
@ Texas Pete:
Ethnic studies is to teach OTHERS about the heritage of their fellow American, so we might understand them. It's not to teach people about their own culture. Also, it's college, not collage... ironically collage means: any collection of diverse things. FYI: Social Studies is the "integrated study of the social sciences and humanities to promote civic competence," as defined by the National Council for the Social Studies.
In order to learn to live together as one we have to learn about each other and respect their way of life... we do not have to necessarily behave the way others do, or believe in what they believe, but we do need to respect that everyone is different.
Also, it's THEIR. "There" is a direction or placement.
I think that many of these "ethnic studies" classes lead to an "us versus them" mentality. Growing up, I found that many of the students that take these classes become very militant and tend to blame white people for all of their problems. This is very counterproductive and will lead to many groups not integrating into society – which is needed for a stable country. Stories such as the banning of American flags on Cinco De Mayo clearly illustrate this. One student of Mexican-American heritage interviewed in this story actually referred to the 4th of July as "their" holiday – referring to the students that wore clothing with the American flag on them. This is just one small example of how this mentality can damage America.
With that being said, I don't think these classes should be paid for with taxpayer funds in grades k-12. If someone chooses to take these as an adult in college and pay for it themselves, I would not be opposed to it. I do however feel these classes are ultimitely divisive and harmful to our country.
America belongs to everyone and is made of everyone. The classes are open to ALL students, as a way to educate more thuroughly into other cultures. You can't fit that into one class. A lot of US History classes don't even make it to present day. Last I learned in History, America was supposed to be a land of opportunity and freedom for all races. How can we say America is great if our solution is pushing our problem away? I think we should try to fix the system, not destroy it.
I am an Arizona resident. As such, I know the political/cultural climate of Arizona. I have read all legislation I can get my hands on that CNN has been covering lately. I wish Arizona Representatives would just explain how staggeringly little these legislation's are doing (while they set dangerous precedents I think should be avoided, no legal verbiage allows anything NEAR what news outlets are reporting).
Ethnic study programs were more than likely cut because the Arizona Department of Education is broke (I am a laid off former employee of the Arizona Department of Education), but Tom Horne saw this tactic as a way to get on CNN and get some press for his run for Governor.
Keep your eyes on Arizona Curriculum. Ethnic studies is one of a multitude of programs the State has and will cut out of education. Our tax money was squandered and they cant afford to keep many around.
Hey Kyra i have to agree with you that this is ridiculous, but at the same time i feel the history of this country and the people in it has fallen by the way side, if you notice we are all emigrants here, take a look back at your family history, we don't include the history of the Irish, German, English, etc. So why are we banning these thing, our history is and ugly mess and yes we have come along way to get where we are today so what are we going to do about tomorrow. We need to look at what happen during the civil war, and all the lives that were lost because we were divided because of our pride. Wow they need to loose their pride and take a good look at who they are and what they are doing to our children. No i don't like that the illegals come over here and take our jobs, but i don't agree that the local government has to stick its nose in leave it to the federal thats thier job.
The Ethnic Studies classes are critical to understanding the context of history in America. The Founding Fathers established in the Constitution an exclusionary governement. This governement excluded [with few exceptions] all colors except white as well as excluded all women.
To add insult to injury women were treated as a head count via the Census and the African slaves as a fraction of a human, 3/5.
This is America's original sins, racism and sexism by the Founders themselves.
Slavery of the African was America's second crime against humanity, the first being the genocide of its aboriginal people.
To ban Ethnic Studies which included Mestizo, African and Native studies is to intentionally "White~Wash" TRUTH!
M outraged my home state is purging history at the expense of skin complexion!
By further extension, this means we shouldn't teach children about the holocaust either. Obviously, Arizona has lost it's collective mind. Oh, and I don't mean that in the "communist" sense of the word.
I guess we can just get ready for more of this stupidity. It always happens in periods of change. If everyone knew more history they would know that when the dust settles we will have a stronger, better country with less bigotry. I wish we could hurry up and get over it. This kind of ignorance embarrasses our nation in front of the world.
Tom Horne is disingenuous, and short-sighted. Jan Brewer is a sad artifact.
If the classes contain comments about current oppression by whites, then they most certainly should be banned. How are whites and the US government oppessing them? If they feel this way they need to take some trips overseas where political correctness does not exist and see exactly what it feels like to e a second class citizen. There are more opportunities in this country for minorities that caucasians born and bread here do not get, like minority status on businesses, college scholarships and financial aid to mention a few. There is nothing wrong with fostering the Latino and The American part of someone's heritage...maybe these classes have left off fostering the American par and that is why they are bannedt,
I was somewhat torn on the new immigrant law in Arizona, now this. This messure moves Arizona to a whole new place and show's that they have lost their minds. America will not tolerate this racism! As a "white" American I am appauled at this messure and will promote in anyway I can a boycott of the state.
Things going from bad to worse in Arizona.
I suggest that these white people do not want the truth taught about what White Christians have done in this country.
This is what happens when you allow your pre-determined prejudices to rule in heart and judge people by their ethnicity and not the content of their character. The banning of Ethnic Studies is in a long line of prejudice hatred by Conservative Republicans who also call themselves Christians. I predicted over two years ago that if the Republican Party didn't give up their prejudiced hatred that their views would end up being no different than that of the Pre-Civil War views of the South. Gov. Bob McConnell proved me right in declaring Confederate History Month, and this Arizona prejudice debacle is just a long slide down the moral road of becoming the thing, in which you once fought against. This may sound a little on the spiritual side, but when don't repent of your hatreds you don't get better; you regress to the lowest common moral denominator. In essence, the Republicans have taken on the views of the Civil War South and The Democrats are now the Party of Lincoln, for if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, He'd be a Democrat, for sure.
As a father of a "Raza" studies student graduate, I still have mixed feelings about what my state has done. I applaud efforts to teach "the rest of the story", which usually goes beyond what the chosen curriculum teaches, especially when it comes to ethnic issues within the United States. In that regard, I believe that this law goes to far, ethnic studies have been show to help students build an identity. However, what the Arizona state superintendent of schools calls "ethnic chauvinism", is fairly clearly taught by the program my son participated in. Not only were they taught the ways they, as Hispanic peoples, had been oppressed, they were taught that they were living in an area of what "should" be still considered Mexico. I guess my biggest problem with what my son was taught was what he wasn't taught; a skill set to solve the problems of oppression. Si se puede, but what exactly can you do? Ethnic studies SHOULD be taught to whomever wants to learn what that ethnicity has gone through in US history, but ethnic chauvinism has no place in public education.
College is a time to expound more on what has already been learned in more depth...
So its evident that a crisis is on the rise in America formulated in the state of Arizona.
Racism is a live and well in these United States and it will never go away, because as one poster stated it should be taught at home...well when you have parents who teach hate at home it just continues the circle...so this a new day and I can guarantee that it will not play out like the racism of ole...this will come with a costly price "life"
I believe if history class and everything else was inclusive of all races and cultures, we would be a closer nation. It seems anytime one wants to include anything beyond the White POV they are considered un-patriotic or reverse racists. This country is filled with more than just whites so we need 2 act like it
It is clear to me that some politicians in Arizona seek to divide the people in their state along ethnic lines. This will not be tolerated in America. Ethnic studies are an important part of American history. They teach tolerance, pride, and understanding of our rich muticultural nation.
I am in favor of the Arizona ban on ethnic studies.
It is AMERICAN history. All of our immigrant history should be incorporated into the American experience. The good and the bad, (slavery, discrimination, The Trail of Tears), is all part of our history that should be taught. I do not agree with focusing on any particular group.
Someone commented that there were only 14 pages of the history book dedicated to the topic of slavery. At first glance, it seems to be pitiful that we only dedicate 14 pages to this shameful period in our history. However, what is pitiful is that we do not have the study of our history in every grade of our schools. How can you explore our history in depth when you only have a year or two of history courses at the high school level?
We must focus on what unites us rather than what separates us.
Just my two cents.
Well..Elementary school should not be teaching Hatred. But they should teach facts. Students should not have an opportunity to select which ethnic studies classes they take and All ethnic topics should be covered in one course where all students participate in. Another example of short sighted, simple minded politicians trying to score points
Kyrsten Sinema just demonstrated exactly what the problem with these courses is. I thought these were "ethnic studies", a cultural education? Everything she just said is nothing but a list of grievances. She described a list of courses whose purpose seems to be solely to tech ethnic minorities that they are victims. She described "African American studies" as about slavery and the civil rights movement. What's that got to do with African culture? Asian studies were about Japanese internment camps and Chinese exclusion, Native Americans courses are about their mistreatment, etc. I'm not against these things being taught, of course. But she made it sound as if these course are designed to do nothing but foster grievances and encourage a sense of victimization by America. And that is what this law is aimed at, not cultural and historical education
There would be no need for ethnic studies if American studies honestly taught the history of all ethnic groups in America. The American history taught in the schools is basically about white European American settlers and their contributions to the development of this country. That is the reason you have these right wing white supremicist organizations that say " The white man built this country" because they are ignorant of the contributions the other ethnic groups have made. I'm not surprised at the level of racism that has risen to the top since the election of an African-American President and I fear this is just the beginning.
I would like to say here and now I'm not white... I am German, Welsh, Norwegian, Ukrainian, Russian and Swedish. Yet when my family came to this country which was about (80 years ago approx.) they let go of their culture and became labeled 'white'. Every country and every continent, has a long rich history and there is no way we could go over ever culture yet we pick and choose who to be culturally insensitive to and then go up in arms if those pet cultures may potentially be offended. Maybe we should just get rid of History all together at least we could over a few generations try and get rid of all these racial tensions.
A program in ethnic studies does not create feelings of anger or promote hostility. Quite to the contrary, it provides a legitimate release for pent up feelings of frustration. It gives an opportunity for expression of those feelings in academic discourse in the classroom. It teaches the students the legitimate channels for expression of their feelings through the political protest and activism. A well constructed course allows students to access institutions and groups within the mainstream of the society so that they do not become isolated and disaffected. Pent up feelings become explosive–dictatorships repress expression–that is what seems to be happening in Arizona. If we study history, we see that such repression, while successful in the short term, almost always leads to explosive upheavals in the long term. This policy is, to say the least, short-sighted. If there is hostility, it was not created by the ethnic studies program, it was created by the past 200 years of injustices, ignorance, and perceived injustices.
The ethnic classes should not be banned. The teachers that are teaching hate and violence should be fired. Learning about their past no matter their background, helps the children learn about themselves. Now I do believe that they should learn of other ethnic backgrounds becasue the business world is growing in diversity and these classes may help them to understand others that are outside of their communities. Are the officials in Arizona trying to say that other a certain cultural's history is more appropriate than another's history?
How far back do we go when it comes to discrimination? Lets see Kyra you yourself talked about the trail of tears and the Native Americans. Slavery and the African American struggle. What I didn't hear you say anything about was the one million Irish Imigrants who were discriminated against and mistreated when they came to this country in the 1800's. This was so pervasive in America that Irish imigrants were treated as sub human. This is not a white vs brown struggle. This is a struggle that has gone on since the begining of this country. The large influx of new imigrants that threaten the established system, will always be a threat to the status quo. That is how it should be taught, because this is the truth. Chris
By banning "ethnic studies" I cannot see how you can teach a "social" studies course. It will be illegal to teach anything about WWI, WII (Jews/Japanese/Germans), Irish Immigration and their treatment by factories, the settlement of Oklahoma and treatment of those immigrant groups, the Anabaptist movement (Dutch/Swiss/German), Railroad History (ethnic treatment of Asians), Civil Rights history (subversive and ethnic), the Confederacy (subversive), Womens Rights (subversive), The Revolutionary war (subversive), Slavery, the Tea Party (subversive), Martin Luther King (subversive-he broke the law), fur trade (dutch), Mining (Irish/Dutch/swiss) etc. etc. etc.
Basically this law Bans the teaching of the entire American History.
I do not think this question should even come up! "do you think we should ban ethnic studies?" What? There has been in the past especially in the 60's, protests about ethnic equality and we fought long and hard and to see time repeat its self is a slap in the face! We could write another book about this and show it to generations down the road only to point out that time repeats its self! One of these days Alice....to the moon! One of these days all peoples of different ethnic background will unite and fight for what is right to show them that we will not tolerate such apathy. We have won before with non violent action and we can do it again!
Everybody needs to stop and ask themselves this question. Do we all benefit from supporting one extreme point of view or the other? I think we can all agree that the answer is no.
The state of Arizona needs to back away from passing laws that attack the Hispanic community. And the Hispanic community needs to reject spokepersons who are making statements like, "California and Texas belong to Mexico because these states were stolen from Mexico by the U.S."
Embracing an extreme attitude only leads to further division and strife. Let's all take a deep breath, stop attacking each other, and let the rational, moderate points of view in both communities deal with the situation.
And the media needs to stop giving exposure to the radicals just because it increases gawking viewership.
I applaud Arizona for taking this controversial stance. It can be argued that should an 'ethnic studies' class be taught for one ethnicity; it should be taught for all. This can't be accomplished. How many ethnicities exist in this country? Wiki shows a number of 150-ish. How could we possibly teach them all? How could we possibly fund teaching them all?
It can also be argued that excluding any one ethnicity in such teaching is racist. Aren't we trying to avoid that?
I think one's ethnic heritage should be taught by his/her parents and family. I think schools should not be in the business of teaching heritage.
It just seems that anything about any race(other than white) labels you a racist. In most schools now history begins with rosa parks. Probably the most important history in America began long before that. We have Black history month, Hispanic history month, why is there not a white history month? are we all ashamed or our history? if this is the great melting pot why teach so many different histories? why not include all histories into one class.
Ignorance knows no cultural boundaries, it empowers them. Our schools are entrusted with the privilege of teaching an accurate and responsible portrayal of our history.
There are heroes in every culture. No amount of whitewashing will correct inattention to the quality and presentation of a curriculum. If the program is incendiary and does not promote our core values of equality and community then it is a problem with the curriculum and the presentation, not the students.
In the 60s and 70s we integrated schools, taught ethnic and women's studies in many parts of the country with teachers on the front lines keeping the dream alive. Are kids today so different?
If subcultures are a problem, move to uniforms. Administrators, teachers and coaches (of which I am one) are entrusted with the future and in many cases need to fight the ignorance purveyed by parents and the communities kids live in. It is not easy but it is important work.
If Administrators or teachers are too gutless to do the work to move America forward by building on the truth–our strengths as well as our weaknesses, get out of the education system.
Why now Kyra? Why banning ethnic studies? We should be thinking about banning these law affecting us already.
If La Raza is indeed teaching that the southwest is occupied Mexican territory and should still be part of Mexico, that has no place in our schools. That is downright seditious. Should we fight the Mexican War again? How is it at all positive to reignite passions and resentments over a war that took place 160 years ago? Do other nations whose borders have shifted in wars with their neighbors teach similar grievances? You'd think this was the only time in history that one nation lost territory to another in a war. Get over it and move on.
Do they also teach that modern Mexico was a nation created by European Spanish conquerors who massacred and tortured the natives? It was not America who oppressed the natives of Mexico. And the entire Western Hemisphere is the result of European colonialism, not just the USA. The USA was not even the biggest recipient of slaves. Brazil was. But you never hear of Brazil in connection to slavery.
And do we need groups like La Raza teaching Latino children that they are oppressed by white people? If you are genuinely oppressed, no one needs to teach you that you are. Last I checked, Latinos have the same rights as anybody else. My Latino wife doesn't feel she's oppressed. These kind of courses have little in common with genuine cultural and ethnic studies. They are entirely political and borderline racist, and have no place in public schools.
The Party of NO .. NO .. NO .. (negativism, exclusion, and etc) ..is at work ... what's American history? Oh no, no, nooooo you can't include that.. oops .. this is NO .. NO .. NO .. country.
Kyra, unlike some who may have been shocked to hear your opinion, I was quite impressed and proud. I think they fail to realize that, despite journalism's unbiased platform, the practice always allows room for opinion.
Banning ethnic studies is quite an injustice, but even in an age of appeasement and political correctness, I'm honestly not too surprised by the decision. Either way, the law is certainly limiting, and Arizona politicians, representatives, and educators should be embarrassed for censoring information and knowledge that empower the very students whose identities and heritage are quickly lost to the melting pot that America has become.
In the meantime, however, students should take this opportunity–their education and heritage–into their own hands. While protesting, they should also do their research and study. Take the time to learn who they are. Even if the school system has banned the classes, I'm sure they won't ban the books from the library. They cannot block your access to the internet. And they cannot keep you from educating yourself, which is the highest form of education in my opinion. And if they do, I think we really have a problem.
Did anybody at CNN actually LISTEN to Tom Horne's comments? He seemed to explain himself well, yet reporters at CNN are still reporting wrongly on the intent of the new measure. That scares me. I have been a CNN believer....believing that CNN is an accurate and true place to learn the news. Then I hear you misinterpreting these stories about Arizona so badly that I have to mistrust CNN now!! I'm sad about that. It sounds to me like Arizona merely trying to tweek its programs containing ethnic curriculum so that they don't inspire negative racial actions has been misconstrued and misreported and blown out of proportion. Shame on you! I just heard about an incident in California where students were suspended from school for wearing red, white and blue to school......in AMERICA!!!! Now that is a story worth reporting and getting to the bottom of!!
here in wisconsin i have seen my local school fall into debt over all the added ciriculum for classes in spanish, ethnical classes and special classes which are for only a certain few. each brings more debt to the region and burden on the taxpayer. what is wrong with the american melting pot and teaching the english that is common here along with the history and ideals that got our country to this point, for some strange reason instead of teaching the basics early on and bringing the poor unwanted into our society we have become a country that enables old foreign ideals. if a person wishes to come and live in america then they should accept the ideals and programs that come with it, it truly burdens me too see someone come too america for only a job, not the ideals and concept that go along with it.
If Arizona does away with all ethnic studies, what remains are "white" American studies. But "white" America is composed of several ethnic groups other than the original Anglo-Saxon immigrants. What, then, is the purpose of this law when Arizona, in its strive to be equal, starts to ban studies of the ethnic groups that are not WASPs? They already displayed a lack of common sense with their immigration law, not so much (in my opinion) of requiring documentation but in not realizing that the majority of those stopped and questioned by law officers would be non-white hispanics. They could easily fix this gaff by stopping/questioning white non-hispanics in proportion to the ratio of whites in Arizona's population and cracking down on employers of illegal immigrants.
Anyone who does not live in Arizona does not understand what we are facing. Arizona is on the brink of, if not already, WAR with its border of the south. Arizona has already implemented a law saying ENGLISH is the official language. The law specifies that schools can't force our children to learn a different language. Last year my child was told they were going to fail the grade because the school was forcing spanish down their throat saying it was a requirement to pass the grade. Personally, that is complete crap. Our children shouldn't be forced to learn a language other than ENGLISH and say that if they don't do it they will fail school. After I got ahold of the school board and was on the brink of filing discrimination against the school, the school board forced the school to remove the "requirement" and pass my child. They even tried to do it again this year. With the flow of illegal immigrants coming into our state and public schools, they are trying to overrun our society to turn it away from ENGLISH. With the new implementation of the ban of ethnic studies forces our school to not segragate students and teach them that they are minorities or surpressed by other races. I can understand that people want to learn about their culture and history, but when the schools are teaching that a specific race was surpressed by another is promoting racial hatred. We all have a different past in our lives, but it is our responsibility to work together and promote unity for a better future.
Your comments eloquently express a complete misread of this issue. The Arizona law does not prohibit "Latino studies" by name, it is simply designed to prevent the use of public education funds for special interests. Your illogical comparisons with this policy to the hypothetical omission of unfortunate aspects of our past from the history curriculum serves to confuse rather than clarify the situation.
Watching this morning I was struck during this story that the news anchor forgot she is supposed to be reportng the news. I don't think she should be expressing her opinion about the stories she is reporting. I would never expect that she wouldnt have an opinion but CNN Newroom isnt her forum to express her opinion. She should get herself booked on Joy Bahar or one of the other opin ion shows. Personally I think the legislature in Arizona should be passing laws that are in keeping with the wishes of the majority of the AZ citizens. Even if the rest of the counrtry doesn't agree it isnt their business. Besides I think if the government would hold a national popular vote election asking what should be done with the millions of undocumented aliens in this country they would find the majority of the nation would send them home. Also the majority wouldnt want to ask the home country if it would be okay to return them. Just take them to the border and drop them off. This should be done regardless of how long they have been living here. This would free up millions of slots to allow immigrants that have be trying to come here the legal way. It would be the right thing to do for those who have been waiting. I'm sure this opinion will upset some people. They are free to write in and express any opposing view
I kind of agree with the plan and I kind of don't. Why are we teaching a sliced up American history? All the topics Kyra talked about, I learned in my great history classes while at Kirkwood High School. We learned about slavery, Japanese internment, the abuse of Chinese by the gold companies and railroads. We learned about the abuse of Native AMericans. We learned how the US marched across our country stealing land from the spanish in CA. and the war with Mexico, the result being our taking over the area that is now TX. Learning ALL history started in grade school. All kids of all ethnicity should be taught all of our history.
Well I guess we are reverting to the "blinder" mentallity that was so prevailent in the 1930's and 1940's that allowed Hitler to murder 11 million people. To address the person asking about white history, we have had white history forever, we celebrate white history with our holidays, and independence. Ethnic studies are to teach acceptance and understanding of other cultures and traditions so as to better get along. America's history is laden with other ethnic people contributing, inventing and fighting for her growth, yet we failed to include them in our "white history books" until the 1980's. Teaching ethnic studies is for students of other ethnicities who, because of anit-ethnic beliefs, are not taught to be proud of their heritage. Those who argue that ethnic studies teach white hatred are ignorant of the real daily life. They can learn that just going to school and from their friends. When it is taught in the right enviornment it teaches compassion, acceptance and tolerence of others. We are all immigrants in this country and the person who said for the anti-american's should pack up and go somewhere else. Well we took this country from the Native's who live here and have yet to live up to one of our treaties we made with them. So how about dealing with that issue. I am sure the Native American's would love to see all of us immigrants leave so they could have their land back.
The man who sponsered the bill to ban racialized ethnic history classes is NOT RACIST. He marched with Martin Luther King Jr for racial equality. These classes go way beyond the required history which already includes hispanic and black history and discussions on racism.
Basic History lessons do cover the history of racial prejudice but what these ethnic studies classes attempt to do, is teach children that America remains a deeply, deeply racist society and that they are victims. Some classes dress up in revolutionary garb and attend race rallies. The vast vast majority of students are educated with their own race.
Concerning all that is happening lately; there is so much talk of educating the children of America equally about the history and cultures of black, hispanic, and asian peoples in addition to white European history and culture. Now that's a great idea, but at the same time that everyone gets loud and pious and/or rebellious, they all ignore a people who lost two continents, all the islands of the Caribbean, along with most of their people and cultures; the indigenous native Americans. Why is that?? The Native Americans have been so beaten down, and are so used to what has happened and is still happening to them, that we very rarely ever hear from them, and precious few, if any others, think of and take the time to speak on their behalf.
What kind of uprising would there be, if a professional (or even college level) sports team were to name themselves the Blackskins, or Yellowskins, or Whiteskins, or Brownskins, and having as their logo, an example of a warrior representative of that group(s)?? Yet there are the Washington Redskins, who've stated that they will not do the respectful thing and change their name, as St. John's University did.
What I would like to hear from all of these very vocal people, is that they do try to honor the great peoples of the Americas, by including them as a part of their examples and arguments.
Your comments on this were right on point.
Because Black history in school was limited to slavery and the civil rights movement, I attended a Saturday school to learn my history because my parents felt that slavery and civil rights only represented a tiny snapshot of our history. In college, I took Hispanic history. Even though it DID put some Whites in a negative light–it was historical facts, pure and simple. I came away, not with hatred, but an appreciation for the gains Latinos made in this country.
I think many, if not most Whites I have come across do not understand that people of color have, for the most part, been left out of history except for snippets here and there about a sanitized slavery and civil rights and Blacks in particular, were deprived of the right to read for centuries. I hardly recall anything of American history that included anything regarding other groups except a paragraph here and there. For the most part, the history I learned from elementary through hi-school focused on Europeans.
History is about human interactions and all groups of people, in some cycle of our collective history, have oppressed and hurt other groups of people for a variety of reasons. Censoring what people learn of history based on your myopic view is not only misguided, it is dangerous. It alters and distorts facts and changes our view of reality.
The classes in AZ from what I've read is open to all groups. By now, if the classes were that "hateful" as the governor and her supporters stae, there would be a trail of bodies. Governor Brewer and those who support her strike me as unintelligent, grossly ignorant and plain dumb.
This is good, the other states and washington making a big deal out of it because they got caught and someone is standing up for their state and people. Az. is the front lines with no help. When they do something on immigration the feds go against them. Good luck McCain getting voted back in. Washington is a bunch of bullies. Bullies stand for cowards. Did you see the McCain add? Kind of makes you wonder what they rest of his bill is??? To go against Gov. Brewer. That would be a stupid mistake. Az. only enforcing its right and the peoples right , Thank God someone finally did it. Los Angeles boycotting AZ. Well If you are in Ca. and see what they think, they want to give LA to mexico. So all this hooplah about how it is going to cut off AZ. is a joke, AZ.s people is not the only state that wants this. ARIZONA just so happens to have a Gov. That has cojones and guts enough to stand by her people and her beautiful state. The yelling about it all is just coming from other states politicos because they had not thought about it. Do not be fooled that others do not want this they do. They are controlled by their politics and need to vote them back out on the street. Yes, I was also a BIG jon McCain fan. If he goes through the back door on this one and not stand up for what has rightfully been done, his career will be over.
Just like Arizona didn't want to recognize Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as a Federal Holiday...they don't want ethnic studies...They don't want anything that doesn't promote or sale the students a clear vision of the mirror they see!
I understand in K-12 that one is learning the broad scope of ethnicities: blacks (slavery, Civil-Rights movement, Africa and the African diaspora etc.), whites (Europeans, Russians, European immigration and the Irish, Italian, E. Euro sub-groups etc.), Native/Latin Americans (Mexico to Tiera del Fuego), Middle-Easterners, SE Asians and so on. When one gets to the university-level and advanced-degree levels, then one gets to specify and concentrate on the various ethnic groups that exist in the world. I guess it just depends on how deep one delves into the subject matter of a particular group. Everyone should get the opp. to learn about everyone else! Of course since good 'ol AZ came up w/ it, it'll be a hot-button issue for some time to come.
I feel as if I went to sleep in the United Stated and awoke in Nazi Germany. Ethnic studies banned or books banned – each is one person determining what another has the right to learn. Only by studying the past can we avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
What is happening to my country? When did so many of today's supposedly educated Americans become ignorant bigots? Any one who has spent time with people from other countries knows that, beneath the skin, we have more that binds us than separates us. Maybe those bigots need to take some classes in ethnic studies. Arizona may be in America, but it's behaving in a very un-American way.
I see Arizona as being very Races state. The HB221 Ethnic Studies being ban is simple stupid. I am a college graduate with a BA. I am a Mexican American who while at college took a few classes in Ethnic Studies. I took these for my social studies.
I totally disagree with Mr. Tom Horn. He and many of his followers are running scared that we will find out information about our culture. After taking Ethnic Studies about the Mexican History was something that I wanted to learn about. This class was open to all the races. Mr. Horn should take the class and learn about Ethnic Studies.
What is going to happen to Arizona is that all of Mr. Horn followers are going to be losers. I long to see that going out and working some of the hard work that many of the poor culture do for all the rich. What Arizona is doing is causing a lot of hate. And what they are causing is bad News and hate.
Arizona has had the profits from poor people working in all of the jobs that many Americans don't want to do and these are many....
Arizona is going to find out all the problems that they are causing will hurt the state a lot.
The immigration is not from Mexico, it has been right under our nose. Look at what happen under our nose with the most current terrorist. He was not from Arizona or from Mexico. He came and was welcome from the United States. We give him the citizenship and all the college schooling he wanted. It would not surprise me if he got all of his college paid by federal government.
Let me start off by saying that i am a highschool student, when i heard about this i was instantly made angry, i couldnt believe that first, once again Arizona was making headlines on racist spectrum, and that now schools were involved. If we allow our nation to fall under the same type of mentallitly of whoever is coming up with these ridiculous law in Arizona, we might as well change our motto to " America : Land of the Oppressed ". Think about it, we are all immigrants to this country wheter you have been here for 100 or 200 years, someone a long time ago came here and established their lives in a foriegn country. Now by limiting the information to students about their own pasts or peers past were putting a short leash on our future. We cannot allow ignorance back into this country, Blacks arent suppose to just lean about other black figures, Whites arent suppose to learn just about other whites and hispanics/latinos arent either. This is America, were all ONE. Stop trying to cover up the past, and differentiate the human race.
Arizona is the same state that Banned state recognition and celebration of Martin Luther King's birthday. All Black American Studies, All Latino American studies, All Native American Studies are now being banned.
It wouldn't surprise me if Arizona has a questionable history like California did. After the United States bought California from Mexico, the racially native mixed people (native Indians and Spanish), who lived in their homes and farms and villages and the towns which the Mexican-Spanish government had established, remained. They never left. A tribe here, a tribe there had been misplaced by the new Anglo-white government of the United States. Some had their numbers dwindle due to being Genocide by the new Anglo-white government who wanted their land when those coming west from the east coast were in search of gold. Remember the ;Gold Rush' and old saying, "Go West Young Man?." Well you White Easter Coast Anglo People came west alright. You came west and began killing innocent people where were already broken being mistreated for centuries and tuned into slaves by the Spaniards. No we don't blame the USA Government for what the Spaniards did. But we do blame The USA for what happened on their watch. Whole villages massacred for the land and gold. We don't want compensation. We just don't want the truth from ever being forgotten. My guess is neither do those whose ancestors lived and died in Arizona long before Arizona belonged to the USA government.
Now that Arizona is doing away with the studies of both the Latino American Studies (who are racially mixed with the native tribes and Spanish) and doing away with the Native American Studies, it makes me wonder just what are the White population in Arizona trying to hide. And combine that with the idea that Arizona is also wanting to do away with Black American studies, as if the Whites in Arizona are saying that they don't want to teach the truth about Black Slavery in America.
Contrary to the acts of our officials, many of us in AZ are embarrassed by the attitudes it portrays. Does Horne really think that ridding the curriculum of these courses is likely to improve an education system that has performed 49 out of 50 for three years running? I would think he should have bigger concerns about the performance of his department during his 8 year term. These classes (Native-American, African-American, Mexican-American) are open to anyone seeking knowledge about other cultures with an open mind. I think an open mind is terrible thing to be fearful of. Furthermore, IF the administrators in CA had had the benefit of some ethnic education they would realize that Cinco de Mayo was due, in part, to Mexico and our own country, joining forces to defeat the French. AZ, love the weather...hate the politics!
The subject and/or controversy over Ethnic Studies is Old News. I for example attended Elementary and Secondary School in the '60's. Ethnic Studies that covered Black History and to a lesser extend; Hispanic History were taught without controversy that the Hispanic
Community of Arizona Orchestrates as an afront to their Race. Ethnic Studies are taught to students to enlighted them of the Diversity of Minority People's Culture, Customs, Language, and The Uniqueness in the Grnad Personafication that bespecks an acceptance of Civic's . . . In this Country; No Ethnic Group of People can lay claim to be a Preferred Race/People. It's Important for Every One (especially the Hispanic People in Arizona who feeled wronged) to Be Proud of Their Ancestry, Race, Culture; etc. I would hope that every citizen of this great nation would see themselves and others as "Americans", Instead of Being Bound By The Chains of Ethnocentrism.
I think ethnic studies classes are an outrage and very offensive. I wish California would have taken the lead on this, but kudos to Arizona for doing so.
I think most of the people are missing the real issue here. This is not about racism or not trying to teach children about different ethnic groups its about, if you come to this country our language is English learn to speak it. If someone went to another country and wanted to live there you must learn their language. We should not be forced to teach or print books in any other language but English. What about all of the previous immigrants from the early 1900's? Did we print books in Italian, German, Polish Russian or any other language NO, people had to learn ENGLISH. Why is this government catering to the Spanish speaking people? It isn't fair to all the other immigrants who came here and Had to learn English. Look at the tremendous cost of printing books hiring teachers who speak Spanish. Also people should have to read english to get a license is this country all our signs are in English, that also goes for voting. This is all wrong and it's about time the American people stood up and did something. I am proud to be an American and would never ever do anything to deface our great nation.
Arizona is fighting to keep Arizona American at the same time fighting off the government which should be for them instead of being against them immigrants when sworn in as citizens swear to abide by the American ways and to leave there past behind this is not happening .
I am dismayed that the state of Arizona is telling local school districts what they cannot teach. Unfortunately, I believe that there is an ulterior motive. In a perfect world, all of our nation's ethnic cultures would be integrated in American history classes, but American history classes in high school are survey courses and only touch on the individual ethnic history and culture. It is important that our young people learn about their own culture and and cultures of other immigrant groups. Offering these courses enables our children to celebrate the differences and similarities of all Americans. Much of the Arizona law is subjective. How does one measure resentment toward other groups? Does pride in one's culture engender resentment toward other groups? Is it not possible to be proud of your ethnicity and at the same time, be a proud American? From the perspective of the "powers that be" in Arizona, what is the definition of an American?
From my own experience as a second generation Italian American, as a child, I was so concerned about being an "American," that I took it as a compliment when I people told me that I really didn't look Italian.
I have a light hair, light skin, and hazel eyes. Not until adulthood, did I appreciate my ethnic background and in doing so, others apprecated my heritage.
If schools focused more on the three "Rs" perhaps people would be capable of reading the actual bill, rather than simply reacting to MSM bumper-sticker labeling. The so-called "racial profiling law" Brewer signed is a virtual carbon copy of Federal law, which AZ has of necessity chosen to enforce locally. The "Ethnic Studies Ban" would be more aptly titled an "Anti-American Ethnic Studies Ban."
But a dumbed-down citizenry doesn't read bills, they've been programmed to read bumber-stickers.
So, on the one hand, AZ is being (wrongly) villified for "racial profiling" on a law enforcement level, and for sensibly banning "racial profiling" curricula on a grade school educational level. Anything strike anyone as inconsistent about any of this?
Politicians all over the Country are steer crazy and fear mongers. History should be taught, it prevents mankind from repeating the same mistake which will destroy us. Why single out people of ethnic group? Who made one the lesser of the other? They stated that if taught these classes it will cause an uprising of rebellion. Did the American Indian causes an uprising? They are still living on a reservation today and a lot of them are without jobs and status. The Boston Tea Party is part of our history which was taught in school, look at what it's doing. People turn it around for evil by toting their guns in the open. I don't hear politicians and teachers crying foul here. The politicians are the ones who will cause a division in this country. For years we have been learning about Christoper Columbus and the European nations in the classroom also our test scores are based on such subjects. Its only fair for the people of ethnic groups and I'm including caucasian as well to know about the other class of people in the class room. No one should be excluded - we are in one world not two. God help us as a nation for surely we are going blind and we all will fall in a pit.
I am not missing the point. I am looking at Cnn now and a woman is saying that the classes taught to african americans and chicanos are "slanted" oh really?
The American history classes that WERE taught to me 1960-1970 and even at my community college were "SLANTED" to the perspective of the white race with no mention of the atrocities perpetuated on African Americans except for one page glossed over about slavery and lynchings which the white students snickered at. I am 57. These are the same people today who are passing this stupid law. The students are not segregated, the white students do not want to learn about any other culture due to their parents input at the dinner table. We see this in the laws that are being passed in Arizona. Shame on you Arizona.
I think it is really a case of fear, were white people are not willing to admit the fact that this is race. the white man want this country in my opinion want to go back to slavery and have total control. but do they realize that there is a god and we all have to answer to him in the end. just take a look at the weather, water shortish, food shortish, and war going on among american. just what will it take? this should be a time of peace not war. now we have them taken books out. what are they really that scared that our children will learn the truth, well half of them already know.
Why is no one on these "NewsRoom" discussions mentioning the fact that all disciplines offer a slanted view? Arizona is absolutely ridiculous in assuming that "blending" is going to offer an "equal" outlook, whether it be history, literature, political science, etc. Those in charge will of course slant education to keep themselves in the upper tier of the hierarchy – that's why hegemony doesn't end! To deny students the right to choose from various courses and kinds of learning is fascism. Nothing is more dangerous than masking ethnocentrism, racism and sexism under a blanket of perceived "neutral" universalism. Nothing is neutral, and egalitarianism cannot be reached without access to all diversities. What will happen in a "pro-America" curriculum is exactly what has been happening – minorities will be designated on a "special day" for those "marginalized" peoples of America (and how can an entire country IN America be so ignored? Yes, folks...Mexicans ARE Americans) and the players involved will be taught as "special cases," denying the fact that those players have been important, active catalysts in American culture/history all along and have NOT been on the margins at all! Why do you all think we keep "rediscovering" wonderful writers who are from all over the world? And it is naive to think that educators are going to welcome changing the canon to include those found voices.
Wow, you people make me laugh.
The ignorance and self-interest that resides behind the comments from those that oppose the changes in Arizona are amazing. The reality of the situation is completely ignored. The more I read, the more I understand why we have idiots in the Federal government, they really do represent the people of the country.
I find it apalling people are using MLK's words as "not judging us by our colors of our skin" to defend a law that promotes the very ignorance which AZ promotes.
learning about my Filipino American parents and generations' contribution to America has only inspired me more to fully participate, to not hide my ethnicity, but to stand with pride and be pro-active in finding solutions not whining about the issues.
if it wasn't for an ethnic studies lens, i wouldn't understand our changing nation nor the 80% of the world outside America.
"Injustice anywhere (AZ) is a threat to justice everywhere" -MLK
I hear all of this talk about American being a melting pot. But melting implies a blending. What kind of blending of people will you get with highly ethnic studies? Arizona absolutely took the right stance. Those who think otherwise need to use their heads.
We are here in America in the 21st century and we have long overcome slavery and oppression. What happened centuries ago was reversed when we Americans fought the civil war and our President freed the slaves. I know there are people who hold racism in their hearts but America as a whole is multiracial with many different people who come from all over the world to live in a free society where we all should live as one. When we divide our peoples and talk about the oppression from long ago then we build up anger and hatred. We should be working together as one people to build up America not divide America.
I think I've a better idea, though I'm sure no one would like it.
If Arizona's government thinks that ethnic studies promotes insularity, it should simply restrict these classes to people not of that ethnic group, and require at least one for each student
I'm saying this because I think education should be about learning something new and exposing students to different points of view. Having black/Hispanic/Jewish/Asian courses with only black/Hispanic/Jewish/Asian students in them does not further the cause of education, and neither does forcing all students to learn only one whitewashed, overly patriotic, view of history (Texas, darling, I'm talking about you).
This law is a referendum on our ignorance as a nation. While countries like Brazil, China and Russia speed ahead with interests we once held true we are quickly reverting back to a society void of integrity from obstructionists that will result in our destruction as a nation. Republicans feel its more important to throw mud and hope it sticks rather than to work together for honest solutions for the citizens that elected them. Pandering to Racism for votes gets us know where.
As far as the "Papers Please Law" goes, has anyone asked John McCain for his birth certificate?????He was born in Panama and should be deported back. If he had done his job as Senator Arizonans wouldn't be in the malaise they are today. If they give him another term, they deserve what they get!
Bob, you are missing the point....this isn't about English or even teaching English as a second language! It is about history and if we, as Americans believe that the only history that matters is the history of our nation or that our history exists in a bubble without influential forces from other cultures, then that takes "egocentric' and "ethno-centric" behavior to an all new low.
At the expense of showing the WHOLE picture of the trials, tribulations and contributions of ALL who have come to this country, SEPARATE ETHNIC STUDIES has no place in an American high school curriculum. RATHER they should be part and parcel of a required solid American history and civics component of a social studies program. That the Tucson schools must resort to separate ethnic studies indicates an inability or unwillingness to fold it into the required social studies curriculum. As a professor, I saw high school graduates arrive at college progressively more uninformed and less prepared because of the "pick and choose" alternatives of high school curricula. Ethic Studies should be left to the universities, where they belong,
...and then they came for me....
More whites take the ethnics class then hespanics ,are they planning to overthrow our goverment to? Give me a break.
It is really sad to see a "new era of bad leaders" with poltic power in AZ, what happened? This problem is not about economy, this problem is about hate to the immigrants. Who built the USA? Immigrants with native Indians or do you need a little of history lessons? Why do we have a Sheriff that behaves like Himmler in the Nazi era? Did he come from a US family before the colony? If yes, from which Indian native tribu? otherwise he and his parents came from immigrants too. Please stop this behavior and let's back to the principles that made the United States the best place to live.
I think one must understand "World History" vs "Ethnic History". Ethnic classes do promote self aggregation (only latinos will go to latino's Ethnic History) and hence enhance the difference the us and them arguments. Some of you should go to some of the towns I have been and then tell me: where is America? or am I in Mexico?
Immigration is always about integration... but as some minorities becomes large they see themsleves as 'owners of the place'.
I see disintegration of the US as immigration runs near completely unchecked and where integration is ignored. Start by calling ourselves American, not African American, or Latino American or whatever else American... If you cannot do that, then you are not here as an American but as aLatino first, or African first. Are you 'The One' or are you "The Many" ?
May be it 's time to vote if American's are for Arizona or not. It's time to stand up American's and show your support for the future. Do you want to speak English in ten tears or not.Do you want your taxes to go higher and higher because of illegals. do you what more crime, then do nothing put not cry when some illegal breaks in to your home and kills your family
If your not proud of being an American speaking English legally. Please take the next bus home to that other country
Arizona is a great state and people need to help. American's need to stand with them the whole way . The NON American Citizens should get back home and protest in their home land for their rights not here. Change your government not ours.
This country doesn't even teach the Constitutiton , or 'civics' from first grade to high school graduation anymore. Instead it allows ignorant racist teachers, and their racist overthrow America groups to install THEIR style of ignorance upon the kids.
We need to stop being so PC. If we aspire to all to be treated equally, these types of classes are contrary to that goal. The same goes for ethnic months, beauty contests, etc.
I say ban these classes but only after their histories are included in standard history curriculum. I grew up in the military and went to DoD schools. I read about the contributions of Black and Latino Americans back when I was a little kid, I don't see why this can't be done for kids 40-50 years later in our more progressive times.
Oh yeah, for that congresswoman who said students of all races go to these classes, that's absolute BS and she knows it. CNN should check out some of these classes and see if it's a mini-rainbow coalition or not.
I just want to know what part of breaking the law don't these people understand..I think every state should have this law....People use to come to the USA the right way and became American citizens...Now they just want to walk in and have everything handled to them...
you will feel deferant if they hit your car and put your wife in thr hospital with no papers.dan usmc ret
America is provoking a war that they cannot fight at this point in time, and one they can't win at any point in time...Historically, there's been alot of tension between blacks and latinos, but the banning of both hispanic and african-american studies is a rallying point..This will show latinos and blacks that there's no difference between us and that white america is threatened by both of us...This will turn into a dangerous situation for white america if they are not careful to reign in AZ's Gov. I'm just glad I'll be on the "right" side of the color line.
Ethnic Studies? We had that back in the 1950's when I was in high school in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. They were called EUROPEAN HISTORY. Really, I was never taught or even thought about history/culture anywhere but in Europe. Even in AMERICAN HISTORY our books told little about the contribution of woman and minorities.
It is so sad we are not getting true reporting for the State of AZ.
Why is it all we here is we have put in a law?
How about some facts.
Like how many police have been shot by ILLEGALS?
Why is it OK to be here ILLEGIALLY?
How much is spent on FREE babies born to ILLEGALS.
How many ILLEGALS are driving WITHOUT drivers license.
Why give so much hype to ILLEGALS?
How about a break for the law abiding citizens of this State????
Kara, If what Gov. Brewer says...'you have to be commiting a crime to be asked for papers by the police underthis bill that states "suspicion of a crime" is true, why can they asked every person in that vehicle to produce papers , birth certificate etc. to prove where they were born?
Why is she still allowing the Sherrif of her county to wake up entire households in the middel of the night and hauling people off to jail if HE susspects they "look" likethey are Latino? Maybe 73% of the people in the U. S. who think this is a good bill should walk in the shoes of Arizonans for a week. Thanks
It's about time a State finally stood up... Enough is enough... Now LA and Houston want to try and be politically correct... BS we need to stop worrying about political correctness and do what's right.. These free passes are only free to the illegals, it's costing the rest of us a fortune...
I believe the majority is behinds this, but the minority is gonna make the most noise,,, Of course,,, They got nothing better to do !!
When are you folks going to get a clue. If one is here ILLEGALLY, it is a crime. Regardless of the color tone of your skin (blue, green, purple) or the "accent" you have. If you are here in the USA illegally... it is a crime! Maybe those of you not from Arizona should come down here and help us clean up the filth, the trash, the drugs, etc on the border. I guess if you lived here and had your personal property destroyed, damaged, etc. you may care. Better yet, why don't you send YOUR hard earned money to those poor nations so their citizens can stay in their country and better it. Come on, send your money down to those poor countries. Help them out. Send your money. That's what I thought.
Before the 1960's we weren't hyphenated Americans.By being "hyphenated Americans" that automatically pits one group against another!Let's drop the hyphen and all be just Americans.
This Immigration Issue is about our Law, not about a Race/Ethnic group. At first, the advocates of the Lawbreakers attempted to use the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday Boycott as a guide-on in what they seek as Truth; but Dr. King was not an ILLEGAL. These people have been coming to America illegally for generations. Two Wrong do not make a Right. As I have stated before, when an illegal mother lye her illegal body on the Sovereign delivery tables of our Sovereign Hospital in our Sovereign Nation, she was illegal and any child that came out of her was also illegal. As it have been revealed in the Hispanic Studies that a declaration was used to guide the idea that these people will take back the Southwest, even as far up to Idaho, Montana, etc.. A LIE is a LIE and it can never be made the Truth. Arizona will survive these boycotts because it is a State of the United States; and as the United States of America goes, so goes Arizona. This remind me of the Civil War where Americans turned against Americans. It is something how people can let a LIE be the confusion of their reasoning. When this Nation was established, its sovereignty was then and is now based on our Constitution and its Spirit THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. It is unbelievable how easily it is that one can denounce The Truth.
Public school courses should be designed for all American students. It is inconsistant to strive to have courses that are not racially or religiously biased only to add courses tailored to a race or religion. I think these courses crossed that line and it is the responsibility of the government to step in. Everyone seems to forget that white Americans have rights, dreams, and hopes too. Finally someone is out there standing up for AMERICAN rights
Banning ethnic studies is just another step towards making this country a whites only country. Our country was founded on the idea that "all men are created equal", yet there are so many intent on changing that. Our nation has a sad history of oppressing miniorities...the interment of Japanese Americans during WWII, the trail of tears, slavery, turning away to the horrors of the Holocaust, the Jim Crow laws, racial profiling. Arizona, I have a question for you...are you really afraid that ethinic studies will promote an overtrhow of the government.....or are you just ashamed of our history and think that if it is not taught , it didn't really happen? Arizona, you remind me of Scarlett O'Hara...."I can't think about this now, I'll think about it tomorrow"
i believe that Arizona is doing the right thing in order to make all students equal. Students in other states are taught how badly the white americans treated the black, mexican, and indians in the past but are never taught the whole truth. For instance the american slaves that were treated so unfairly in the past becomes todays opressed. When in fact, the black tribes of Africa took and sold people from other tribes as slaves to not just the Americans but to the whole world. This is something that schools do not teach because society as a whole doesn't want to know all the truth behind todays supposed opressed. By Arizona eliminating these different ethnic classes and making all students take one conglommerated history class then there is no longer the feeling who is more important in the schools and society.
Kyra, when you spoke about Arizona eliminating "ethnic" studies, it sounded as though you didn't realize that they are NOT eliminating ALL ethnic studies by any stretch of the imagination. They are picking through and eliminating the ones they don't like.
Remember that within the "American" experience, there are MANY European ethnicities also.
In order to eliminate ALL ethnicities from education, they would have to STOP teaching ALL language studies, ALL history, ALL social studies, ALL literature of any sort, reading ANY books, studying ANY mathematics in ANY numeral system or counting the days according to ANY calendar system along with a lot of other things that they and we take for granted every day. Continued nationalism means that EVERYTHING is divided into ethnicities, even their choice of what is acceptable. The person you think doesn't have any accent, does actually have an accent. His accent is the same as the person judging who has an accent.
Ethnicity is automatically a part of the experience of everyone every day. In school, we would hope that we would be allowing our children to learn MORE about how to get along with EACH OTHER as opposed to how to FORCE the others to do things OUR WAY AND NO OTHER or be ostracized. I thought we had all pretty much decided that BULLYING was a bad thing in the schools, but now the government is sanctioning it even more with all this renewed bullying of students to CONFORM AND LOVE IT WHILE YOU DO IT BECAUSE WE SAY SO.
Reminds me of what I learned from the history books about the Crusades, Inquisition, Reformation, and all the other times in history when religion & government have used "convert or die/leave" methods... Isn't that what we said we didn't like about the Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Remember, Euro-American studies which is EVERYTHING we learn in school IS a conglomeration of "ethnic studies" that some have chosen ... it's the ethnic studies acceptable to Christian Whites and which always paints Christian Whites in the best light as the strongest and the best at everything.
Come on people!!!! Americans better wake up, and fast!!! The federal govt HAS done something about immigration. A few years back good ol' George "dubbaya" and the leaders of Mexico and Canada signed the "North American Union" essentially erasing borders. Of course the general public hasn't been informed, or even included in this decision. Imagine That! O-well most of us walk around with blinders on anyway. Don't be surprised when the U.S. dollar becomes worthless, and the "Amero" is introduced as our new currency. Wake up people before this bad dream turns into a real nightmare!!!!
If anyone who is not American wants the American dream then let them do it the right way, LEGALLY. I support Arizona and I hope that other states wake up and protect AMERICANS, which our Federal Government is not doing. What part of illegal doesn't the Government and people understand? I am a American Citizen so why don't you protect my rights? Stop worrying about protecting illegals rights and protect the Americans rights. Support Arizona. Those that boycott Arizona are just showing that they don't really care about America..It has been said that "Americans are Stupid" maybe that is true..Wake Up America.
If you look at the AZ law and policies without bringing in your personal biases, it should be evident AZ is taking steps to ensure compiance to law and ensure the classrooms promote acceptance. According to the latest on CNN, or even FOX, they're not burning books. AZ is showing some backbone in doing what is right for their citizens, the law-abiding citizens and those there legally.
Let me say first, as an Arizona resident, I am really tired of hearing all the booing from people about the current immigration bill just put into place here and if they choose to boycott Arizona, so be it. Most of the naysayers don't live here. They don't pay the taxes for illegal aliens who don't pay taxes on their income, who get food stamps and health care on behalf of the "citizens" of this country. We here in Arizona would be glad to tell them to try California or Texas for a while as it appears those two States are more then willing to foot the bill for taking care of you and your families. I have absolutely no problems with people from other coutries coming to the U.S.A. to live, but not "illegally". Become a citizen as millions have already done, as my ancestors did. As for the banning of ethnic classes here, well I am French, Irish, German and Polish and I have NEVER been afforded classes on my ethnicity or ancestry. Why is it the ethnic classes are only for either Hispanics, African/Americans or Asian people? When you afford ALL the people in our country ethnic classes then maybe I will be more empathetic to their complaints.
doesn't anyone understand the term illegal anymore? Millions of American citizens are out of work and millions oof people are here illegally, this should be a no brainer , when will President Obama tell them to leave. I wil be glad to pay more for my fruits and veggies and watch the cost of hospital free emergency room use go down. Where do these illegals think they have rights when they are not citizens and since when are illegal drugs a reason for political amnesty ? Is this country in truble ? Your job is next.
We do have a immigration policy that has been ignored, walked on, walked through, and swam over. Fact ...we have hospitals and schools that are overflowing with illegals. Towns that are on the border are building new schools at the rate of one every other year. Your tax dollar and mine! Has anyone even talked about the drugs or abductions taking place...or the numbers of police hired in communities with tax dollars to ensure everyones safety. We are a melting pot, but our families came in and became citizens, learned the language and was proud that they were able to. Let's try to follow the law as I do believe that they are there for a reason. Right!
I have nothing against ethnic studies just as long as it's not payed for with My tax dollars! Can't the illegal imigrants see that We can't afford them anymore! They should go back to their country and try to cure it's problems instead of coming to our country demanding that we change our country to better suit them. Oh also carrying identification in the U.S. is not a choice it's the law and has been for the last 50 years that I know of!!!!! .
I wasn't against the new immigration law that passed because Arizona and Gov Jan Brewer had to do what they had to do to protect there state! However, I don't agree with banning all ethnic studies that is completley wrong and we all need to stand up to Gov Brewer and let our voices be heard!
Scott Stodden (Freeport,Illinois)
After reading the above views of so many people for and against what Arizona is trying to inact i have come to only one conclusion, our country is only concerned about what is popular at the time. Just as Al Sharpton. Or maybe the TEA Party... According to the constitution we all have the freedoms and rights as citizens to make the decisions that best lead us forward as long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others. Now with that said how come we do not have a white history month? It is because that would not be acceptable to all the ethnic oriented people in america and again Al would call it racist. But we teach American history which touches on slavery, indian wars, and the fouding or country.
Unfortunately our history classes do not teach the whole truth about the past. Our schools only teach what is socialy acceptable. And that goes for "all" history classess. I would like to see any one of you white americans who thinks that all other ethnic groups do not feel that the "White Man" doesn't oppress them, go into the black or mexican nieghbor hoods in Denver Colorado or Chicago after dark and experience for your self what they are taught and what they think. I can garrantee that you will be lucky to leave there without an amulance. Because they are taught that it is the white mans fault that they live the way they do and nothing will chang e that until the schools change the way they teach.
This is my ancestors land and anyone who is not native American is a child of an immigrant.
All of these lawmakers are children of immigrants.
These are bully tactics used by any racist to control and run minority people away from Arizona.
Minorities need to get political and vote theses idiots out of office, if we use their way of thinking then we shouldn’t let white children see the news or study history. White children might want to be like Bernie Madoff or Hitler or Charles Manson or son of Sam or the KKK or Slave owners. If we follow their way of thinking, then white children will see their history and get mad and want to be like all their outlaw and murderess ancestors. Theses law manipulators are simple minded and they are going to continue to be like.
We call it America now but we should not forget how my ancestors where murdered and their land like Arizona, was stolen and they where killed and pushed into Mexico,. They deserve the opportunity to come back to their original land and lawfully become American citizens.
This is my ancestors land and anyone who is not native American is a child of an immigrant.
All of these lawmakers are children of immigrants.
These are bully tactics used by any racist to control and run minority people away from Arizona.
Minorities need to get political and vote theses idiots out of office, if we use their way of thinking then we shouldn’t let white children see the news or study history. White children might want to be like Bernie Madoff or Hitler or Charles Manson or son of Sam or the KKK or Slave owners. If we follow their way of thinking, then white children will see their history and get mad and want to be like all their outlaw and murderess ancestors. Theses law manipulators are simple minded and they are going to continue to be like.
We call it America now but we should not forget how my ancestors where murdered and their land like Arizona, was stolen and they where killed and pushed into Mexico,. They deserve the opportunity to come back to their original land and lawfully become American citizens.
We don't have to carry Identification in the United States. We only have to carry proof that we are allowed to DO things that we do, such as driving.
And, if we want people to come to this country legally, we should give them a legal method to do so. CNN reported last year that there IS NO VIABLE LEGAL method regular Mexicans to emigrate to the United States. There are only methods for Mexicans to visit or in some cases to be INVITED by businesses to come here and work temporarily. Even children of people living here as citizens would have to wait ten or more years before MAYBE being able to move here. Most children would be grown before they could live with their parents or other relatives who were already living here.
There are DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. We used to allow everyone to come to our country but then this country decided that it didn't like poor people coming over from Eastern European countries. That's when things started changing. Now, the laws are so incredibly bass-ackwards that there is no legal method for people to get here to live with their families or to stay with their families who were born here while they were here on a long-term temporary visa or whatever.
People still WANT to live here as much as they ever did and as much as our own citizens move to other countries every day, for business, for family, for whatever reason. People have been moving in and out of different countries forever. Our own people move out of our country and into others.
But, it is silly to say that they should come here legally when there is no viable legal method anymore for them to come here. They get here the only way they can for the very reasons that YOU WOULD DO IT if you were in their shoes. Believe me, each of you who want them to leave now would do exactly the same things if you were in their shoes and it would be YOU begging and hoping or even DEMANDING that someone understand YOU if the tables were turned and it was you trying to protect and care for your kids and family.
Unfortunately, this issue is being tried and discussed by media only.
The school district, teachers, parents, students need to be heard from...on both sides.
My question: are these Latino students also being taught American History, American Constitution Studies, About American laws, etc., Why? Because they are living in America, not Mexico. Are they citizens of USA? If not, what right do they have to advocate Mexican values, history, laws, etc. in another country.
This really needs to be examined, impatially. Please. Where is the common sense.
The reason that America is so successful is because of it's culture. It is a mixture of many cultures and we should be proud that we are so openminded. If this country needs more immigrants we should let them in, but in equal number from all over the world. Ireland, Germany,Spain, Asian, Africa, that's a melting pot. What is happening in this country is a complete change in it's history and character. Mexicans are not Americans just because they are here. Maybe Mexico is a miserable place to live because of problems with it's culture. Do we want to import that?
Why can't Mexicans make Mexico a place that they themselves would want to live?
I agree with Arizona's new law on imagration. I wish Texas would follow or better yet. re-activate the ALAMO!!!!
Thanks for doing the story on the Alabama State University decision to confer degrees upon former students who participated in sit-ins during the early 1960s. I applaud your coverage, however, it was regretable that the your correspondent covering the story called these men by their first names – "Joseph" was one man – as opposed to calling hm "Mr." so and so. These men deserve the respect due to themselves and elders to the women doing the story. The sad irony is that these men and others were constantly being called "boy" or by their first names by whites as a way of intentional disrepect. If you do this or similar stories in the future given them the respect that's due. Thank you!
With activities such as the one described below, how can anyone disagree with the recent Arizona immigration law?? Unfortuately the pictures don't copy to this note but what you would have seen is a group of high school students at Montebello HS in California taking down an American flag then hoisting a Mexican flag with the American flag inverted and hanging below it! What is up with that??
I guess they already finished their English homework!!! ...and cashed their U.S. welfare checks and had their prescriptions filled at the E.R at U.S. taxpayer expense...
Montebello High School in California
You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times, nor on the lead story of the major news networks.
The protestors at Montebello High School took the American flag off the school's flag pole and hung it upside down while putting up the Mexican flag over it. (*See pictures below*)
I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington .. The image of the American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail.
Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government.. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be 'redistributed' to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the 'fray'. Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference.
One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........ ..
The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun.
White people must not understand that they are children of immigrants. They have less right to this country than the original owners the native American/ Indians/ many Mexicans.
The lawmakers in Arizona are too late they have already lost. This of course is a last ditch effort by these racist to control people like their immigrant ancestors did, if they could get away with it, they would murder the Mexicans like their ancestors. I saw this idiot white man in Michigan say they are taking our jobs , thats why our economy in Michigan is messed up. No dummy, our economy is messed up because of
The Auto industry in Michigan has rapped Michigan and used the average joe and did not invest back in Michigans economy.
Now the law from Arizona is pretended to be pass as something else but it is absolutely racist and America is a melting pot of all races. This ethnic education approach to promotes it as something else is an ignorant statement and suggests that any one person of any ethnicity is incapable of nothing more than ignorant vengeful acts and violence and this kind of backwards thinking from those who were appointed or elected into power takes us back to a time that they ironically don't want Americans to learn about. This situation is sad for America.
If you think you are living the American dream gueess again . Example : new chevy silverado with a Mexican flag in the back window. That's it folks it's the Mexican dream were we send them our industry and jobs and then they still come to the good old USA to pick up all the green backs they can and send them back to old Mexico . Don't assimilate into American culture just bring your language and culture america will make it easy for you , freehealth care in our emergency rooms ,housing allowancessand what ever social programs are available. Now what do we name this fiesta? ........How about ingrateful.
The Mexican American war never ended. It is the longest lasting war in history. It is a slow invasion of the country. It is a war of attrition.
let all the illegals go home get the right papers, then walk in the front door the right way Its that's simple. Yes, it might take a while but citizenship doesn't come easy.
"I have a dream that one day on the red hills of [Arizona] the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood."
...But in seperate classrooms?
Why does there need to be seperate classes for ethnic literature and white literature? Why can't it be combined into one class? One class that contains the table of brotherhood. They took take away ethnic literature and combine it to make one literature.
How about only having Ethnics Studies classes that includes discussion on ALL ethnic groups rather than separating them out. into different races? Students should be learning about other groups as well as their own. Maybe it would help them get an understanding
of other people rather than radicalizing them and fueling resentment and hate.
I support Gov Brewer and Arizona's effort to get this situation under control. I am from AZ and now live in California. Our politicians here haven't the cajones to stand up with AZ and put a stop to the illegal invasion of our country. I am apalled at the cities, politicians, even school boards in CA that are "boycotting" AZ. CA should be standing with AZ to fight for secure borders and enforcement of immigration laws.
I truly understand why they would ban ethnic
studies but is it really gonna make a
difference yes but not now you should all know America believes in individuality that's why some countries hate us but I actually see the point in banning ethnic studies because it really does create oppresion within other races not just white just like if a person from another country looks white but isn't someone might get the idea that there ancestors or them own slaves when in actuallity they don't. It basically creates division among the races learning about the past is
important but if I was in there shoes I'd be oppressed too. For example if I was from Russia and people assumed that I was white an owned slaes how would that make me feel? I would feel Somewhat oppressed I don't think anyone wants to feel that way. Also I've never known a white person to even consider taking an African American studies unless they were black there is
a line of division in these classes I wouldn't
want there to be any dividsion in schools
because it's wrong even when take a non ethnic studies class like social studies it involves different races an cultures but then when you get to that section when 911 happens people from the middle east get oppresed in some shape or form that will always hang over there heads even when it comes to looking or a job a person might not employ them because
they're from the middle east you know
stuff like that is what causes tension within races . I understand why people are mad about this ethnic studies ban but it's for the best individuality is everything and we shouldn't Judge people in how they look. Am I mad that the the pres. Didn't say much not at all I believe he has alot on his shoulders and I don't think it's
in his best interest to take sides at least he did
say something I think at that point it was really out of his reach but I hope this is understanding or relatable:)
I just saw your broadcast about the ethnic studies in Arizona. I heard one of your broadcasters say, "I don't remember any classes like that...". He was referring to classes to overthrow the government.
Where has he been living? On my campus there has been talk for the last 8 to 10 years about "taking back California". La Raza students here believe "they" (latinos) were here first and they strive to oust whites and the current government.
This is such a concern that my family has often talked about relocating to get away from the conflict.
Wake up middle America they're here and they're not leaving!
There is something terribly wrong here....why are we teaching children to hate our country? The entire ethnic studies nonsense is ludicrous and the teachers responsible for sowing these seeds of resentment should be ashamed of themselves. God bless the USA and God bless Arizona.
Bravo to Governor Brewer!!! Thank God we still have some leaders with common sense. Ethnic studies are for college, not public schools. Why would we teach hate and resentment to our children??I think its time we shut the doors for awhile and sort out all the ungrateful illegals we currently shelter....study that on your bus ride back to ....
Is this the US? I'm haitian and came here when I was 7. Is there Haitian studies? I have a coworker who is Jamaican. Is there Jamaican studies? Why do some ethnicities get studies and other don't? Also, what are you doing with one of these degrees? It's just ridiculous....absolutely, ridiculous that my taxpayer money is going to support these courses. Also, what is wrong with asking someone who's been arrested for a crime if they are here illegally? Are we not a country? Aren't we a nation of laws?? I read the bill in Arizona and don't understand the controversy. When you are stopped for speeding don't they ask for you license and ID. Is that racist too?
Shameful. We are regressing into the darkest chapters of our history with this backwards step.
School districts alone spend an enormous amount of money for programs which cater to the illegals. I've worked in two different states and it used to really grate on me when the illegals would come from Mexico asking, "You speaka da Spanish?" Then when you'd say no, they'd act all pitiful and say, "NO???" You'd try to enroll them and they had no paperwork with them. No proof of residence, no health record, no transcripts from previous schools, etc., etc. But we were told we had to enroll them, then tell them where to go for free shots, on and on.
Free breakfast, free lunch, free Pre-K, free child care, two copies of all paperwork being printed out in both Spanish and English, hiring and paying more for bilingual workers, ESL programs, on and on. And I, because I'm a citizen, don't have free medical, etc. Go figure!
Gee, wonder why we're getting cynical. Let's just open our borders and let anyone and everyone come in and collect free anything they want.
Just venting, but am glad I'll be able to collect Social Security in a few years. I just hope you younger people out there are going to be as lucky as I. I honestly don't see how.
Hopefully, we won't follow in Greece's footsteps like I just heard is going to happen. Oh well!
The only question that matters, why should American taxpayers be forced to financially support classes that teach students to hate this country and indoctrinate them in the belief that they are living in "Occupied Mexico?" These books instruct that it is racist and oppressive for someone to expect Hispanic's to learn in any language outside of English. They teach children to be resentful, they glorify murderer's like Che and teach from a very politicized far-left ethno-chauvinist standard.
This also doesn't necessarily affect the whole state, just a very extreme, far-left wing school district in southern Arizona. That is whom this bill is precisely targeting.
We are getting a bit out of control as a country. We make decisions based on what our "news" organizations come up with. Does anybody think the any of the city councils outside of Arizona that made it illegal to purchase from companies based in Arizona actually read the Arizona state law? My gosh folks, what are we doing? What happened to the "United" States of America? Don't you think the citizens in Arizona are feeling some pain to pass this law? Rather than inflicting more pain, let's figure out how we can help.
We are so quick to judge others. Let's start sweeping our own doorsteps first, ya think?
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