John Tyner not only is against the body scanners in airports, he has become a voice! John probably never thought he would be the star of a viral video that has seen over 179,000 hits in just 48 hours after his cell phone video of his interaction with TSA agents at San Diego’s International Airport where he refused to enter the full body scanner. His choice subjected him to a full body pat down and the viral video in which he is quoted as saying, “If you touch my junk I will have you arrested.” Those who have been subject to the pat downs, are claiming invasion of privacy not to mention many professionals say the use of the scanners is not necessary.
These events have lead to a grass roots protest set to take place on the busiest travel day of the year next Wednesday. The idea is for all travelers to opt out of body scanning so they have to be patted down by TSA agents, which is a lengthy procedure which is sure to raise tensions amongst both the TSA and passengers, but aims to possibly put the body scanners usage on hold during the holiday season.
We want to hear from you! Are you planning to opt out during your holiday travel? Do you travel frequently and have been opting out, if so what have your pat downs been like?
Kyra Phillips will read some of your responses during the 10 o’clock hour.
We citizens are creating more chaos between ourselves with these over reactions. The terrorists have won.
why all the security inside our borders, and yet the government is giving amnesty to illegal aliens, stop taking rights a way from us citations, and crack down harder on our borders and stop giving our right to illegal aliens
I have a great idea. Let's not do scans, body searches. Let's just let everyone through at will. Then, we can have another 9/11. Then, people will complain because the security wasn't tight enough.
Where does it stop?
I will not allow my wife and daughters naked body to be viewed. The viewing of naked children by TSA must break many State and Federal child porn laws. I'm will not allow, under any circumstances, a stranger to grope my wife and young daughters. Shame on the TSA! We are law abiding US citizens. We refuse to be treated like terrorists. This is a serious violation of the 4th amendment. We've already canceled our flights for the Holidays because of this. Until this changes, we'll drive.
FredW, I hate to play devil's advocate, but ANYONE can say they are law abiding citizens. I agree with Dan. Let's just open the terminal gates up to any and all. Let's not have ANY security measures in place.
It's wonderful how the many have to pay for the deeds of a few lets all keep on being politically correct in our quest for safety .
Good for him.
There is a line and TSA has crossed it. Metal detectors and x-ray of luggage is plenty. These scanners have already been shown they will not catch many explosives, the whole reason for them, and TSA lied about the amount of radiation they give off, it’s a lot higher.
When even pilots object you know this is a failure.
I wonder how much the makers of these scanners gave to politicians to make sure they were implemented?
Being subjected to superfluous radiation exposure and/or aggressive pat downs by the government is simply unacceptable. We have become accustomed to flying because it is convenient and affordable, but we can drive and we can Skype. The airlines will suffer, the tourism industry will suffer, the hotel industry will suffer. Travelers will adapt. We will find ways of connecting with family, friends and business associates that don't require air travel unless absolutely necessary. The hubris of the TSA and the US Government is astounding and has overplayed their hands. We the people are NOT sheeple.
The real problem is with security that isn't secure. We are always reactive, not proactive. A shoe bomb, now we take off our shoes, toner cartridges now can't fly. Wait for the first suppository bomb and you won't want to fly! Body scans are the closest to really working, what is the problem? I was frisked 30 years ago in Germany before a flight, was I harmed for life? I felt worse for the poor guy who has to pat me down!
We either have too much security and pat down 70 year old women or too little and fear saying anything about groups who have a problematic history. Scan people and packages and save the poor TSA people from verbal abuse and having to "touch our junk!"
I don't understand how he can be fined for threatening to have the TSA agent arrested for touching his junk. An arrest is a legal procedure after all
We all know the new rules. If you don't want to abide by them, stay out of the line, don't cost us money or delays due to your personal issues and stay off the plane. Sadly, it will only take one downed flight for everything on this issue to go away. Let's not have people die just so some guy with massive personal issues doesn't get his 'junk' touched.
The first time a plane goes down and we determine that the Junk had stuff in it, no one will have a problem when someone cops a feel.
Last week I was in the St. Louis, Richmond, Santa Ana, and Chicago airports. Due to a total knee replacement I realize I must be "processed" separately, but the new "total" pat down is ridiculous! It certainly is very degrading even though the TSA agents are very professional and explain everything they are doing. Making the delay longer is the fact that I must then wait until someone checks the agents gloves for residue .... traveling by air takes far too long for people like myself!
Every airport is different as well ... some say the scanner machine eliminates the "pat down", others make me do both!
In New York city subway, in a crowded subway you can be arrested if you "touch" someone in intimate part (it's under sexual assault !!) and that person might be a TSA agent.
But at the airport suddenly it become all different ??
When are we gonna have a screening prior to board a subway car ?
A TSA agent did a private screening on me and had "unusual comments" about my anatomy. Should I had sued TSA ?
I am thinking twice now . .
they are only going to hurt themselves. TSA is there to work a shift, not to catch a plane. Those who complain need to remember, you have control on what you do, its call drive, walk or ride your bike.
Your flying a plane, you know the rules. And if you think TSA wants to touch your junk, sorry dont flatter yourselfs, they rather not.
Why isn't anyone talking about the safety of the full body scanners. reference your CNN article "Airport body-scan radiation under scrutiny".
"In April, four science and medical faculty members at the University
of California, San Francisco, sent a letter to the director of the White
House Office of Science and Technology Policy expressing concerns
about potentially serious health risks related to the X-ray scanners."
As a frequent flier how can this radiation over 100 times a year be safe ?
Who is manufacturing these products ? – who is the congressman or senator pushing this ?
Who is lobbying to have them installed ?
Bring the experts on – This is a safety issue !!
Do we live in the United States of America or North Korea? How can our choice be a radiation-emitting machine or abusive pat down? I want to be safe as everyone else, but there's got to be another way.
I think people just need to make up their minds. There should be a vote consisting of 2 options for the people who fly. They should either accept the rules and regulations that are designed to help protect them, and others when they fly. Or they should just eliminate the screening process at the airports and everyone just take their chances. People want to be protected but they arent willing to deal with the inconveniences that come with it. I mean if the guy that was worried about his Junk being touched had lost a loved one on a flight that got blew up because a terrorist had a bomb strapped to his Junk, he might feel and understand the need for this. I mean if they make it so they can't touch your junk, guess where the next terrorist is going to be strapping his bomb.
Donna, Kevin and others who don't have a problem with what TSA is doing, what's the limit for you? At what point will TSA have gone too far? Is there anything you won't sacrifice in the name of "security?"
Having been through the body scanner and heard about the planned "pat downs" I think airline security is getting very invasive but will not make us any more secure. If terrorists want to smuggle something onboard they could insert it rectally or vaginally like some drug trafficers do and would not be detected by the current TSA groping sessions. So do they plan to do rectal and vaginal exams next? Also they could have workers at the airlines that smuggle stuff onboard for them so they would pass the screening. Why aren't bomb sniffing dogs used at security stations instead of all this other stuff that won't work? All this is extra invasive screening is pretty ridiculous and those not involved in terrorism are being treated disrespectfully by these invasive procedures without any real benefit safety-wise.
As a frequent traveler, I'm affraid of what's next with the TSA. Not meaning to be funny but what if the next terrorist wanna-be tries to conceal a device rectally or vaginally? If that happens we're all in for a serious invasion of our privacy.
I don;t understand people – if I get on a plane I want to know that no one is on there with a device to harm or to bring down the plane. Are people that self conscious or just not seeing what is going on in our world today. Scan me, pat me, I have nothing to hide.
Why are we doing body searches within the US? Considering all the bombers that have made our fying experience miserable were on intrnational flights? Do we really need body scans in Omaha?
This is for the saftey of the country.
No fines needed just Put this guy on a no fly list, as long as our government is not going to take the measures to keep the real dangerous people out of the country ( as you remember most of the bad guys last time were here on expired visa's) they can at least keep us from having to listen to idiots like this ahead of us in line.
To me, it's not necessarily about the practice, but the principle. Look at all the lengths we've gone through to try to stop the unstoppable. We've compromised our liberty gradually over time without even thinking about it. We used to joke about the TSA, saying "Wow pretty soon, you're going to have to be strip-searched to get on a plane." Little did we know that in a few years, it wouldn't be a joke. Honestly, what's next? Will we have to go through scanners to board trains or subways? What about when we go to the mall? It's a cycle I am afraid to say, can and only will get worse unless we stop it now.
Ladies and gentlemen, the terrorists have officially won. They've got us to spend trillions of dollars and countless lives in two wars, they've just about bankrupted us, and now they got us to give up our essential liberties.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin
I am so sick of all of the people out there that are screaming"no" simply for the sake of being contrary. It is real simple, body scan or pat down. If you don't want to be touched go through the body scan. Nobody cares what you look like in the scanner. They see the images of thousands of people. They could care less. Even if someone does get a kick out of your scan, who cares? At least we know that you arent carrying an underwear bomb. Grow up. And Fred, "naked body"? Really? It is a scan image of the outline of the body. Not a naked body. 7 seconds through the scanner or take the pat down. Not a big deal. I just went through the scanner during my travels this past week and it was completely professional. Not a big deal.
Hi Kyra! To this I have got to reply. I refuse to fly until this security mess is figured out. I will NOT be xrayed, I will NOT be touched. These are violations of my privacy. I only fly to see my grandchildren, I'm 57 years old, born in the USA, & would be swift to try to stop a terrorist. We're not nearly as afraid as the airlines seem to be. it's ok. Just means I can't see my grandchildren, because I refuse to have my right to privacy invaded. Love ya Kyra, keep up the good work!!
Sincerely, Kelley Bayless
PS: Whatever happened to the America I used to love? You know the one...land of the free, home of the brave? Not anymore, now it's the land of the paranoid. What a shame, huh?
I agree with the guy who said he doesn't want anybody other than his wife or his doctor "to 'Touch My Junk". However, I'm not so nieve that I think in these troubling times I can use any public transportation (especially airplanes) without some kind of scruiteny that' improves on the metal detectors and shoe inspections found to be ineffective in catching some of the recent determined terrorists. So I welcome the scanners as a an acceptable substiture for the personally invasive 'pat downs' employed by TSA personell. Scanners are a good option and I for one am willing to make that small concession considering the war that terrorists are waging against us and our loved ones.
I think the best solution is for the airlines to have two different flights: one for those travellers and pilots that want to be screened and the other for the travellers and pilots that do not want to be screened.
@eric, i hate flying and when i do, you better be sure that TSA is on there A game and pilot better be awake...i want to get to point A to point B SAFELY...Again, you dont like it, dont fly...simple
Mike Wright says "I welcome the violation of the 4th amendment – I welcome dangerous radiation, I welcome sexual assault, I welcome coercion, I welcome intimidation, I welcome Communism" because Mike Wright imagines this will make him more comfy. Of course, Mike Wright also says that Arizona has no right to ask illegals to "show me your papers" – that would violate their rights.
I have been trying to get my doctors to check me out for a hernia... I will take a flight to anywhere if it will help my diagnosis. Roflm hernia off!
the tsa and goverment,are pushing the buttons on how much they can inpose on us stand up , sit down and drive!! dont be sheep!
These very same people who are protesting the security check will be the first and the loudest ones who will cry foul when next time a major accident happens, screaming not enough was done.
I do not mind the security check. The situation is not by choice. TSA is not very happy either.. it is only increasing their workload and amount of responsibilities.
But will the scanners pick up explosives like the ones they shipped on cargo planes a couple weeks ago? I think they man need to reserve the right to have a physical pat down. So the frigid people can just take a bus. I like to know everyone was checked before they get on the same plane I am on.
We know the person is facing a $10,000 fine but you haven't told us what the fine is for. Is he facing a fine because he refused a personal search? Is he being fined because he uttered a statement that he would sue the person or TSA for touching his junk? Or, is he facing a fine for actions taken by him after he was prohibited from taking the flight? As it stands, it appears from the story that he is facing a fine for simply refusing to be searched. It would seem that being prohibited from the flight would be enough "punishment" for refusing a search. At least in America, one would think.
I will never allow myself or my family to be scanned by airport security. Who knows where this will lead? Once they have your scan on file it's like a finger-print that can be used against you for any reason at any time. If they want to use a box to check folks out how bout one that blows up any device on the person while they're in the box? lol It may be messy but it would resolve any "bomb/terrorist" issue in one fell swoop! Just a thought.
I saw nothing invasive or embarrassing about the scanner. Get over it folks – nobody wants to see or touch "your junk" – get through the line and let others enjoy their trip without your insane hangup....or maybe you just want to get your name in the news and on CNN???...our rights have been taken away by extremists with evil minds – not by TSA
Since the scanners are only being used because of Michael Chertoff's connection to the company that produces them, and also given that there is no study on the potential health effects of the scanners, as well as the obvious privacy concerns, I will most assuredly opt out.
As a rape survivor, I cannot condone forcing people to choose between the loss of control of having TSA employees view my naked body through a scan image or having them molest me and touch me in the same way and places that my rapist once did.
I also cannot fathom the logic behind allowing children to be subjected to either what amounts to child porn or "bad touches." Where is the "think about the children!" advocates now?
I plan to opt out as I do not trust that the scanners are safe and having served my country during the Gulf War, I know for a fact that you cannot trust what are Governement is telling you; we have a long history of lying to the population.
I will take the train whenever possible but at some point we have to take a risk, it is part of life.
Sexual Assault is defined as being conduct of a sexual or indecent nature toward another person that is accompanied by actual or threatened physical force or that induces fear, shame, or mental suffering.
Being patted down, or having a "groin check" done is seen by many as "indecent" and causes fear or shame. by the very definition stated about one should be allowed to press chargers if they feel they have been assualted. Body Scanners and groin checks fall into this category. While air travel is a right and privelege, so is privacy. there must be a compromise.
I flew back to WI from Tucson last Wed., and it was the first "pat down" I have had since the new rules. I have been "wanded" and "patted down" in the past, as I have a total knee replacement that sets off the alarm when passing thru the scanner. I'm 72 with 9 children and a medical professional. I need to tell you, I felt totally violated. All I could think of was, "what if I had a skirt on instead of jeans?" I do not relish having anyone I don't know touch me like that again. It is unnecessary to go to that extreme.
I actually was just selected to be body scanned and patted down yesterday while going home. I am a female injured Iraqi war veteran and I had to be searched. If was a little uncomfortable for me because I walk with a cane and don't like to be touched on my back because of my injury. I informed the TSA agent of this and she was patient and she was able to do he'd job without hurting me. Knowing that the body scanner can see shapes and curves was a little unnerving because I am a person who wears layers to avoid showing to much. I definitely would not want someone doing what was done to me to my children. There should be a rule about that. I tell my children that no one should touch them in that way so now I have to explain to them that it's okay for the people at the airport to do it? Sounds like we are sending mixed messages.
look i can understand certain steps to insure safety of others but if someone is uncomfortable why do it?If your at work and someone says to you something you dont like it can be taken as harassment.but when the government does it,it is safety steps.
Connie wrote: "our rights have been taken away by extremists with evil minds " .
Exactly, they are called the Federal Reserve Bankers.
I am a 64 yr old woman and I had purchased an airline ticket to IAH before this new invasion of privacy pat down. My home airport is small and I don't expect to be subjected to groping there but when I depart Houston it could happen. This is STUPID. We are so PC we won't profile but we will subject any and everyone one to humiliation while at the same time admitting that a bomber could still carry something in their underwear. This could be the last time I fly until our government starts to use it's head and gets it right.
Listen folks this is about our common security why all the fuss about it? If you are not comfortable about the scan or search take a train or bus. Those opting out are just fueling the ego of al quida seeing all these protest about our security measures make them feel they are causing choas in our society. Please fall in line or take the bus....dont keep us waiting by your personl issues
Back in the 1940's and 1950's Shoe Fitting X-Ray Devices were used in shoe stores. They were believed to be safe. One of my neighbors years ago worked with this equipment for many years while employed in a shoe store. Years later, shortly after she was married, she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and lost both ovaries. A decade later, she lost both breasts to cancer. She attributes these cancers to her use of this machine.
Will history repeat itself? Years from now will, TSA works, pilots and passengers die and have cancers due to this exposure?
This is a health issue. The terrorist have won. I hope I never have to fly again.
Apparently this guy is more concerned with someone seeing or touching his “junk” than some fanatic blowing his plane out of the sky. He’s obviously a pampered crybaby who’s way too accustomed to having things his own way. I’m sure he can’t imagine why “he” should have to put up with all this unpleasantness.
Considering the lack of security at our borders, being subjected to pat down or full body scan should be a minor inconvenience to put the passengers and crew at more ease. Expect it, If you don't like it, walk.
If this guy does not want to abide by the rules then he should use another means of transportation . What if somebody has a bomb up his rectum and it exploded in mid air would this guy want to be on that plane? One comment I read said " The terrorists have won" and they have if we behave this way. We travel nationally & internationally and we have no problem w/ this type of airport security.
If you don't think the machines are safe, get a pat down. Flying is not a right. Get with the program or walk.
If he doesn't like it than don't fly. He will be the first to complain if something happens on the plane. I fly alot and don't feel like taking off my silver bracelets. They always tell me what they are going to do and are very nice. I have never felt violated. Life isn't always fair so stop whining because it is for our safety.
All x-ray & UV exposure will always raise your risk for cancer. Medical exposure usage is always weighed against increased rate of cancer by the FDA. Frequent flyers like myself must opt out. I don't worry about terrorist as much as losing stuff to TSA and avoid checking in luggage.
PhD Material Science
I can't understand why anyone would resist the full body scanner! All you can see is basically a body outline. I don't think anyone would know who was being scanned if they didn't see them standing there. I would rather have a scan than a pat down. I'd get a pat down too if that was necessary. I fly a lot and I want my family and I and everyone else to fly safely. Osama Bin Lauden wants to blow up planes to scare us. That's what terroism is. Ignore him, go through security, enjoy your vacations safely. We need to do what we can for the airport authorities to protect us. Stop whining! Be brave! We're Americans! By the grace of God, we were lucky enough to be born here. Barbara Chaddick
As a 60-something mother of five, I'm more concerned with safety during travel than having my old body scanned, or patted down for that matter. I've been scanned, X-rayed, examined (inside and out) by doctors, nurses, technicians, etc., who probably don't enjoy the process any more than the TSA folks who have to do it all day long. People should be more concerned with the private information thay share on the Internet than with security measures at airports.
This security overkill needs to be put in perspective. In 2009 in the USA there were 35,000 deaths on the highways. Aircraft accidents killed only 465 (NTSB statistics). Every time I get in my car I risk death by accident.
I also fly on business, and I feel the risk of one terrorist attack on a passenger aircraft is a risk I will take. Even if one aircraft is destroyed in flight it is a very very small percentage compared to highway deaths, which we take in stride. I feel the TSA should back off to a sensible level which leaves security in place with irritating the flying public. The TSA is even being criticized by the U.K. airlines and U.K. security as being beyond what is called for.
Well I have simple solution to pat downs, one that I might consider. If you don't want the scanner for whatever reason; ask to be patted down, then drop your pants show TSA your junk. This will make it easier for TSA to see that you are not carrying anything on the plane. You might get charged with indecent exposure, but it will make the TSA just as embarrased as you. No hate responses, please.
1st. The TSA stated that the scanners would not have been able to detect the underwear bomber's stuff in his junk. So that means it would not detect anything on anyone who is determined to hide it, As the terrorists watch us debate this, it's a no-brainer about where to hide their bombs or weapons next: body cavities.
2nd. The airlines advised their crews to avoid the scanners for health reasons. That advice should apply to any frequent flyer, or anyone who avoids unnecessary radiation (as most of us would do). Would you subject a child to this?
3rd. Patdowns might discover an underwear bomb or weapon, but then again... As the terrorists watch us debate this, it's a no-brainer about where to hide their bombs or weapons next: body cavities.
4th. Patdowns can create a traumatic experience for many personal reasons. Would you allow your child (or grandchild) to be explored by a stranger? How do you think it would make them feel???
Conclusion (for me): I would avoid the scanner because cancer runs in my family and I don't want unnecessary exposure to radiation. A patdown would ruin my trip even if I somehow managed to endure it. I have serious "issues" with that.
So, my wings are clipped. I have almost 200,000 frequent flyer miles that I now refuse to use. My husband wants to vacation at Caneel Bay on St. John. Forgetaboutit. I was planning to take my granddaughter skiing this winter in the Rockies. Forgetaboutit. She wants to visit my new house, 1000 miles away. It'll be a road trip.
I think the TSA should focus on creating a reliable "trusted customer" system using technology that is already available. They can then focus on potentially threatening passengers.
Fortunately, the airport I most frequently use doesn't have a body scanner yet. Privacy issues aside, I'd consent to the body scan once while wearing a radiation dosimeter to answer for myself just how much radiation I'm receiving.
Cheryl W., RT
I have the solution. Have separate flights for those of you who do not want to be scanned or patted down. That way you can take your chances with the other wing nuts.
It seems very ambiguous if the full body scans still cannot detect an underwear bomb or what else. The pat downs due seem a bit much. Who is to say the TSA person administrating the pat down is an undocumented sex offender. Although, I would submit to a search, however my young son submitting to a pat down? Where does it end. The full body scans can see certain discernable "shapes" and can be considered sexual and offensive.
What I would really like to know if the TSA agent in John Kyner's was correct in saying after a passenger purchases his ticket, they give up their rights. Can you find this out?
look all its simple. full body scans are somewhat needed but if a guy is like dont touch my junk dont.i understand safety but when does it goto far?when will you have to be locked down for your entire flight?cant move cant do anything.but thats real safety.100% lockdown.so keep screaming for more safety measures.
My question is how much radiation are TSA agents being exposed to with this new screening process. If the average radiation dose is 0.1 microseverts, and a TSA agent is, hypothetically, exposed to 100th of that dose, or 0.001, for each passenger screened, then that TSA agent is being potentially exposed to 100 microseverts (or the ave. chest x-ray dose) every 100,000 passengers. How many passengers does the average TSA agent screen every day, every week, every year? Also, how often are these machines being calibrated to insure that they are only generating a 0.1 microsevert dose?
What does this guy that doesn't want his junk touched do when he goes to the doctor?
The sensitivity of John Tyner to having his genitals touched should be weighed against the possibility of an airliner being bombed. Please do not make a hero of this publicity seeker. He needs therapy.
Just get doctors to search peoples junk problem solved .
Nora wrote "What if somebody has a bomb up his rectum and it exploded in mid air would this guy want to be on that plane?" if that is the case tehy will need to start doing a body cavity search...where will it end.
BTW if I choose to have a pat down to comply with the new rules, it is my right to do so and since I get to the airport 2 hours in advance I am not concerned about slowing someone down who is there 45 minutues before their flight. Again I will take the train or drive whenever possible but since I travel every week, i will have to fly...
Touching my junk is a privilege, not a right.
I have to admit, I wouldn't *like* someone touching me in those places. However, that having been said, it is simply a fact of thw world we live in, that this level of security has become necessary. The only reason the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber were caught before any tragedies occured was because their devices malfunctioned; a stroke of good luck for everyone else on those flights. Are those of you (such as @Fred) who are going on about privacy willing to risk your lives and/or those of your loved ones on the chance that luck will fall the right way again? Those who are law abiding citizens (as most of us, I daresay, are) should have nothing to fear from this, we need to accept that this is *for our safety*. To those who cite that old Benjamin Franklin quote–the one about "those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."–please stop and think about this: If you don't feel safe, if you don't feel secure, then how much liberty do you really have? One cannot have freedom without security. And before anyone says anything about "trending towards a police state", which would you prefer, having law abiding citizens put up with tighter security checks, or leaving loopholes in our system for the sake of "liberty" and then having some lunatic extremist exploit such loopholes? Is it going to take another plane going down before the privacy-screaming types wake up?? I hope not. I **pray not.
Someone, a very long time ago, said. " he who gives up his freedom for security, has neither."
Amaericans have lost its spirit of freedom and dignity. Our fear let Bin Laden achieve what he desired to achieve via 9/11.
The entire country is now like a big police camp run by Obama.
Why all the fuss? It's part of the "change" promise that we voted for 2 years ago.
I wouldn't mind the scanners if they actually worked. My last flight I went through the full body scanner and they pulled me out of the line to pat down my bra band and chest. I was wearing a cotton/lycra only bra with no metal and no underwire. What good is a scanner if it can't tell that a cotton sportsbra isn't a bomb? And I do object to being groped when any person with a little common sense would have been able to look at what I was wearing and see that there was no room for a bomb. Many airport security measures are ineffective, costly nuisances.
how about this;
if i choose to fly, i volunteer to forefiet certain rights. fine with me.
I love all of the people saying "but its all about security." What a crock that is. Any terrorist will now simply fly on a PRIVATE Charter to avoid all of this nonsense (oh yes indeed, Private Charter terminals do not have such procedures). Even more of a crock is the fact that the border is wide open...why would a terrorist even need to fly? You morons!
First I haven't flown since 2007.
Second, all I can say is WOW.
I can't believe how many believe the propaganda of our government feeds them. I for one am not ready to piss away my constitutional rights because our "intelligence" agencies aren't doing their job.
Go ahead and watch your rights be stripped from you one by one until we are just like the Jews in Germany....That is the direction America is headed in.
Everyone has to waste time on this because some d-bag in California want to make a statement.
The winners here are the terrorists.
Americans lose a little freedom each time the terrorists think up a new way to scare us. They don't even have to DO it. Just say they're thinking about liqiuid devices and bingo – 4-ounce clear containers.
We have effective Special Forces and Clandestine Services organizations that should be the spearpoint of the War on Terror. We should not be fighting terrorists with full-scale war techniques. It didn't work in Viet Nam, either.
This continuous stirring of the security pot appears to me to me a conscious budget-justification device.
The TSA should be proud of their training, because in my opinion their security representative was clear, articulate and professional. The CNN coverage is hoping to fan the flames of a soon-to-be travelling public, by "asking" if the search tactics are excessive. If G-d forbid some psycho detonated something that was concealed in his pants, you would also be leading the charge to demand we all ask "what could we have done?" As a frequent travellor I am far more sympathetic to the professional TSA rep than the shmuck holding up the line threatening to sue. Please just stay home.
I am canceling travel next week from LAX to see family in Florida and will probably have to eat some airfare. Just a reminder:
U.S. Constitution, 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Freedom is more important than a family visit!
now go out and grab and feel up
whoever you want dont worry
if the government can do so can you!
this is great news for sexual molesters
there doing nothing wrong
just some on the job training
to work at the airport!
"John probably never thought he would be the star of a viral video"
Of course he thought he'd be the star of a viral video – that was his goal the second he pressed "record"
If someone doesn't want to be scanned/searched/x-rayed then I don't want them on my plane.
This is a step too far. The TSA should not be allowed to subject us to dangerous levels of radiation and groping.
Just go Greyhound! That's what I do. I don't like flying anyway and usually don't even when the cost of bus and plane are very close. I only fly when it's an emergency.
I have spent more than $50,000 each year in the last six years on air travel. i am a very experienced air traveler and i am also a airport security expert by trade and have been involved in airport and aircraft security for more than 15 years.
I will continue to opt out of body scans for several reasons. First the radiation dose is far higher than TSA is admitting and for the frequent travelers that presents a definite health risk. Secondly, I am very sure that the current technology does not work well enough to be relied on. Thirdly, even though TSA keeps saying that that are “protecting” our privacy they keep getting caught doing otherwise. Lastly, every time that TSA is tested they fail dismally, in many large airports they failed to detect a test object passed through a check point more that %60 of the time the norm for them is a failure rate of about %45. This means that the procedures that they are using are useless.
What the TSA is to telling the travelers that that all of these things are designed to “Make the traveler feel safe” not to “make the traveler safe”
How about letting the airlines run their own security. If you don't mind having some stranger grope your private parts or oogle them on a video screen – then you choose an airline that does all that in the name of security. If you prefer to maintain a sense of dignity and keep a sense of privacy, you choose an airline that doesn't strip search you before you board a plane.
Perhaps if we shut down all the bases he have set up in other peoples lands and bring our 'peacekeepers' home there won't be terrorists trying to blow up our air planes. Don't buy the myth that they hate us because of our freedom – they hate us because we are in their countries killing their wives and children.
I agree with the passenger their going to far with the security,at airports.
Who in their right mind could or would hide anything around their groin?This is ridiculous.I can see the scanning of the rest of the body,and this i assume would include the groin area,but don't be so invasive touching any private parts,i can't believe any of this.
I had to chuckle when the passenger said,what do we have to do get sexually harrassed to get on an airplane today,this was funny please give it a break.Thank you
My family and I went thru the first scan in our airport. We had the option to pat down instead of body scan...but my children would also be subjected to pat down (15 and 11).
I thought it was less offensive for the scan. Children should not be subjected to such violations. Anyone else would be titled a sex offender for such acts of videoing and touching of children.
When was the last time the TSA stopped an attack? Underwera bomber – Nope! passengers stopped him. Shoe bomber – Nope! passengers stopped him.
Just listened to Janet Napolitano discussing what needs to be done to board a commercial flight in the US. Just wondering if she has the same pat-down, body scan requirements that the rest of the flying public has. Oh wait a minute, she doesn't fly commercial, does she? She has a government plane paid for by we lowly taxpayers, that she doesn't have to wait in line for, pay for, be screened for, and is driven to the private military airport by another person once more paid for by the US taxpayer.
If its 'junk', why should he care – Now, 'Family Jewels', thats another story. Sign this guy up for self-esteem classes.
I guess this guy has no family jewels in his family if all he has between his legs is junk.
TSA and staff were correct in their actions to protect the flying public. This guy obviously has his own planned agenda. He pushed all the TSA's buttons to see what he could get against them. Again the TSA is doing the best they can to protect us. TSA was executing the rules. If you do not want to follow the rules take another means of transportation.
Hmmm... it doesn't matter where you are, when it's your time to go, your going to go. You can't think "if only" we didn't do this or that. You were predestined to die at a certain time before you were even born. Only God knows when and where. You take reasonable precautions and protect yourselves the best you can without allowing the government to over step their bounds. The more you let them overstep the worse it will get, till eventually they'll be doing whatever they want and we won't have any say so at all.
So go through your body scans, pat downs and excessive precautions and when you die anyway, try telling me it was worth all the extra fuss.
With respect, perhaps we really need to take an honest look at profiling. How is it the Israeli's work their security? They have been at war for century's with these devils. Do they put everyone thru these devices?.. I realize the scale is differant but cannot we not learn from the real experts in combating terror? Your telling me Homeland Security has the answers? Why should Granny and the kids just for starters be subject too this?
Just a bunch of "pc'r's playing cya at the cost of our privacy and tax dollars. Wake up freedom loving Americans..your rights are going down the rat hole so you can be "pc". I fear it won't be until after a horrible attack where 10's of thousands are killed before we "get it".
I'll be surprised it this comment get's past the "pc" arbitrator..
I have one question for Janet Napolitano and the head of the TSA. That question is, "Why are we spending Billions and losing young lives to protect our freedoms, while our own government is terrorizing Americans at security check points at airports?" These scanners and pat downs are too intrusive and an invasion of privacy by Big Brother government! I hope there is a revolt soon or we won't have any freedoms left. We don't have many more to lose!
"What does this guy that doesn't want his junk touched do when he goes to the doctor?"
TSA screener is an entry-level vocational rehab job. It does not require an eight-year medical degree, and does not have staff with decades of experience or any kind of professional rapport with their "clients".
Thank you for your totally irrelevant post.
Boo hoo...the guy won't go through the scanner and then complains about the pat down? Really? Does he really think these TSA people like it any more than he does? Man up, you wimp, it's starting to sound like you are" junk" -free!
I agree with Gramma:
"I think the TSA should focus on creating a reliable "trusted customer" system using technology that is already available. They can then focus on potentially threatening passengers."
My daughter was an unaccompanied child traveling alone on her first flight, I did not realize the new "security" measures were so intrusive, and she happens to be unusually well-endowed for a child her age. She was put onto the plane by a relative and I met her at this end. I didn't know at the time why she was so concerned about whether they had to go through security again on the way out.
Whenever something reminds her of the experience, she still has a negative emotional reaction remembering the invasive patdown because it caused her fear, humiliation, and now an ongoing anxiety and determination to never, ever get on another plane as long as she lives. We will have to take a cargo ship to visit relatives in Europe.
Why is it okay to put a young girl through this experience, yet it's not okay to ask immigrants for papers or to look closer at young men from terrorist-harboring countries?
The "don't touch my -junk" guy is out of touch with reality. If an airport pat-downer is inappropriate you report it. I don't think any of these characters who are opposed to scanners and pat-downer ever served in the armed forces, or were police men or women, or in a profession where one is trying to protect our citizens against criminals and terrorists, which are one and the same. Citizen safety is far more important than their privacy extremism.
Doesn't anyone resent the lack of rights when flying? Flying is a treat for some...and such a problem, that it now stops many seniors from taking family trips. What can possibly be the purpose of making an 90 year old, in a wheelchair, to stand...and take off her shoes?
If the Pilots Association is saying that a full body scan is not advised, then why would the flying public be subjected to it. It doesn't make sense.
I work at newark int'l airport & I refuse to go inside the gates now. How would I feel comfortable being patted down by an officer I see everyday? Or have one of the tsa officers that constantly hit on me watch as I am being patted down by another woman. Seriously, aren't there other solutions? This is ridiculous!
Right or wrong, all I know is that my 14 year old daughter is truly disturbed by the idea of this "enhanced patdown" as demonstrated in numerous news spots. She says to me "I don't even let me doctor touch me like that, why should I let them?"
We tell our children that their body is private, we tell them that unwanted touch is not okay. And what of those who were actually molested or raped? Is it okay to put them through this ordeal? I say it is too much! We will opt to no longer fly. Period. I will not force my daughter to be "touched" in that way, I don't care if the government has said it's not "abuse", the fact is, if people are feeling abused by it, then it IS abuse!
Would-be passengers need to make sure the airlines realize they have something to lose in this. I'm sure they have an inkling now, but they need it shoved in their faces:
From now on, when you intend to fly, make sure you talk to a customer service rep of a specific airline, and make it clear that the only way you're going to fly is if you are given a guarantee, in writing, that you will be subject to neither these body scanners nor full-body pat-downs.
I, for one, intend to make that my pre-condition for buying an airline ticket for the foreseeable future.
These full body scans are a security facade... As the "don't touch my junk man" said 80% of passengers go through a normal metal detector. Those 80% still could have non-metallic incendiary devices on them. So to say that these scans will stop another 9/11 is simply not true (at least in the way they are currently being deployed). As far as rights are concerned, the right to privacy is a tricky subject. If I choose to talk on a cell phone should I forfeit certain rights and allow cell phone tapping because I could be plotting something? Where do we draw the line?
Taking merit in anything anyone says here is about as smart as taking anything written on Wikipedia as law. Anyone can edit Wikipedia, anyone can enter some disinformation or delete truth from an article, and people have been caught doing this. Here, you have to put your name and email, that's it – you don't have to provide any kind of other information or create a profile. For all we know, it could be the same guy or gal writing all the pro-scanner, pro-patdown idiocy. "Me like scanner, Me want to be Safe, Me trust Government Completely!" What if it was the same person? Would you know? They would have the same e-mail? I think not, considering it takes a few minutes to set up a completely new e-mail account at yahoo or gmail. What if was the same person, trying to drum up support for this flawed system? What, if by some miracle of chance, it was a TSA agent writing all these pro statements who didn't want to lose their job? Or one of the inventors/retailers/CEOs that worked for the company that make the scanners? If they get rid of all the scanners a lot of people would be out of their jobs, a lot of money would be lost, a lot of fingers would be turned at the government for falling for such a ridiculous scheme. They wouldn't want the blame shifted on the government for spending millions implementing this system, the government is already hated by enough people – what if it was a CIA or FBI agent writing all of these pro statements? The fact of the matter is your chance of getting killed by a "terrorist" is about as strong as getting struck twice by lightning in the same year. The fact of the matter is the scanners rays are way more potent and dangerous than an x-ray, and there's not even anything shielding your body like when you get an x-ray! The fact of the matter is, several children are getting groped by TSA agents, agents that put horrible pedophile-inspired screen savers on their work computers as a joke. Look up articles on all the unions and pilots that just went to the TSA demanding this be stopped because travel is down 30%, and how the TSA basically told them, "tough." They don't care about the pilots and others in the travel industry that have to do this every day, do you think they care about you? Don't take anyone's opinion on here seriously, look at the facts, study the system, read the articles, look up biometric scanning, look at all the rights that have been taken away since the Sept. 11th fiasco, look at what they're doing! Don't even believe Me! Make your own decision based on fact. It's called critical thinking. Don't submit to be treated like brainless cattle. Thanks and have a nice night.
I would rather have someone touch my junk than blow up my airplane with an underwear bomb. And I would rather have someone touch YOUR junk than blow up my plan with an underwear bomb. So either jet you junk checked out or keep it off the plane!
I doubt TSA gets their rocks off patting down 99.9% of the public's fat behinds. This guy wanted his 15 seconds of fame. I hope they totally ban him from flying.
I most certainly will opt out ... in fact ... I will just stop flying altogether. This is ridiculous! Next you won't be able to get on a freeway without a full body scan. Can anybody say, "Your papers please?"
How about bomb sniffing dogs and other machinery that can detect explosives in an area? How about checking cargo more thoroughly? Cargo only gets a cursory check at this time. And – what about food and other service items on board? NOT checked!
Listen people – this is NOT about security – it's about how far you can be pushed. Oh, you don't mind somebody feeling your private parts in public in the airport? Ok, well then, how about before you enter the shopping mall? Or before you get on the train? Or before you buy groceries? Or anytime you leave your home? And since they also "feel up" the kids getting on planes – how would it be for all schools to begin full body scans or pat downs before your kid can enter school in the morning? Let's see, can you explain how it's okay for the doctor, mommy, daddy, the person at the airport and the person at school to feel his/her personal parts ... but it's not okay for anybody else? Come on!!!
Do you think it will stop at the airport??? Think again!
And all you people who "volunteer" to give up "certain" rights – fine – but don't give them up for me too! If you give up your rights – what's left?
Ben Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." And, guess what? You won't have either once it's all said and done!
Yes, we had the underwear bomber. So when the next clever terrorist is caught with explosives stuffed up his anal cavity, will we all be subjected to anal cavity searches as a prerequisite to board a plane? Maybe we will be asked to vomit up the contents of our stomachs to prove we haven't swallowed something? Once we start groping genitals in airports, these scenarios don't seem so far-fetched anymore do they?
Wow. I'm totally shocked by some of the people here who are actually begging for oppression. The scanners do not detect much more than flesh (and highly detailed images at that), and it is already admitted they would not have been able to detect the underwear dude's explosives, so please, enough already of the hysterical, paranoid freaks claiming that this is "for our safety." Go back to dogs sniffing out dangerous material and drugs, metal detectors for the masses, and wands if there is anything that sets of the metal detectors. There is NO reason for these people to be touching us or taking naked pictures of us. Some of us still have dignity and intend to keep it that way.
The federal government thru the deployment of TSA forces is doing one of the few things that the federal government should be involved in. That is security of this nation and its peoples. This security not only includes the employment of our military forces in foreign theaters to keep our nation free of wars on home soils but employment of forces here on our home soils.
The TSA is one of our home soil security forces and is one of the few responsibilities of the Federal government. What ever TSA does for airport security is necessary for the mode of transportation involved. All of these checks keep the terrorist community at bay. When we stop our checks they will win.
I am about as anti-government as one can get. I am a native born white male living in New York and about as red neck as they come. I get pulled aside at every TSA check point for further screening. These checks do not bother me at all. You can throw your profiling out the window if anyone is let thru unchecked. The flag goes up.
I hope that when the day comes when the terrorist finally are successful in blowing up a plane full of passengers that all of the passengers on that plane are all John Tyner types. Be interesting to know what they all think as they spiral to earth.
TSA checks are required and are the responsibility of the Federal Government. Maybe if the government does airport security they will get out of governing private sector business.
TSA, go for it and file a case against John Tyner and I hope you get a pro-American judge to hand out a worthy punishment. I for one do not want to be on a plane with people who think like Tyner.
Where I come from we don't consider them junks. They are tools of creation (not junks) and we are not afraid or ashamed to show them at security check points, if it's to keep America safe.
The problem is Americans are too spoiled of a people. They want to have their freedom, but are not willing to pay for it especially in time of war. Don't forget we are at war against extremists who are trying to find ways to kill us, all of us.
People want to prevent the enemy from attacking us, yet they don't want to sacrifice their freedom and privacy.
We are at war now, and lets think of sacrificing a little for the sake of our safety – the safety of all of us. Consider our young men and women going to harms way so that we can be safe at home.
If you consider them junks and are ashamed to show them because they may be appear too miniature in size, then take the train or bus, drive your car or ride a horse. Stay away from the airports.
Boycott flying till they stop touching our junk!!!!
Lou, What other rights are you willing to sell for the right price?
how about this, i don't volunteer to forfeit certain rights. not fine with me.
government sanctioned child pornography!
Unfortunately, genital pat downs are not new. It has been done frequently for many years now. Ever see a curtain off area next to the security area. That's where it happens. My father who traveled internationally and domestically on business were frequently subject to genital pat downs. It was blood-boiling to hear how he was somehow "randomly chosen" again from his business trips. If you were wondering, my father is 100% Asian. (korean)
I never believed that the back scattering images can be secure. all it takes is a TSA agent with a cell phone camera. Or a eager person with a mirror and a zoom capable camcorder. How do you safe guard against that ?
I want to see members of congress and their families, all the TSA agents and their families get pat down and/or get their naked picture taken my the scanners. But I am naive to believe that they travel on via commercial airlines, huh ?
Speaking of children, do they pat down the children too? They Have to. what if a bomb is attached to a child? It is government sanctioned groping of children or production of child pornography. When every child in all the airports get genital patted down by grown men or women. Or get their naked picture taken. Of course, the parents will have to watch all this happening or face a $10,000 fine per refusal. This may sound extreme but think about it.
It is wrong when my father had to go through it all those years. And it is wrong now.
Folks this is World War III we're in the midst of without a uniformed enemy who prey on the innocent unarmed public. Their big weapon is not their own. It's our commercial aircraft that we fly on. Sacrifice during a time of war and to fly commercially today means being scanned or padded down.
When I'm at 35,000 feet its not about rights. It's about life.
Definitely the pat down. Do you people read the news? The scans are nto safe! They radiate you, they can break and radiate the hell out of you. Or some morron behind it is controling how much radiation is the machine going to emit.
Refuse the scan! Save your health! Think about how much cancer there is in this country. All we need is some extra radiation...
So you don't like pat downs? Refuse one from the police when you get pulled over and see what their reaction is. I'm sure the TSA is a lot more gentle and forgiving then any police officer. One of the benefits of the new body scanners is to speed up the screening process, not to see anyone's "junk". Don't like it? Take a bus hippies.
comply or you don't fly. your choice. have a nice drive.
“He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both.”
I just refuse to fly anymore until they get rid of the TSA. They really do not improve safety, just invade our privacy and make it take much longer to board the airplane. I can now drive to my destination faster than I can drove to and from the airports and make it through the lines in the airport.
Let those who wish to defend their freedom do so...
Let those who wish to rely on government to do so, do so...
The proposal – let the market decide.
Create airlines with different levels of security and let consumers pick the level of security they're comfortable with.
Allow lawsuits for terrorist actions only on those airlines who promise full security.
Allow convenience and privacy for those who desire it.
Some people will never be comfortable with strip searches, full-body scans and strangers touching the most private parts of their body. (For various reasons – including religious and constitutional).
BTW – since the most dangerous weapon is the airplane itself, why aren't all passengers on private jets (i.e. corporate jets and the like) screened?
Enforce the regulations uniformly and see how long they last.
if you don't like it, don't fn fly! These guys stuff explosives in every body orifice they can find. Get over it, or don't fly. Simple as that. This guy is a clown. BTW, how was he able to have access to his cell phone during all this?
I do have a problem with the both choices, so I choose not to fly. However, I think that we do need to have an discussion about how much we are willing to cede to exercise our constitutional right to travel (Shapiro v Thompson, et al.).
I travel quite a bit and see many security "lapses" and I am simply not convinced that these measures make me any safer.
Individuals who are determined to cause harm will find a way to evade security.
Lou, Derek, Dan, et al...here's a newsflash for all of you. It is ridiculous to look for an OBJECT, because the terrorists will continually come up with a new way to hide things. We banned sharp objects such as box-cutters...AFTER September 11. We banned liquids...AFTER someone tried to mix a bomb. We take off our shoes...AFTER someone got on-board with a shoe-bomb. Now we are doing body scans and pat downs....AFTER someone tried to board with a bomb in their underwear. When will people realize that we should not screen objects, but we should screen PEOPLE. I'm fine with the TSA profiling me, are you?. Or better yet, I'll fill out an application for an air travel security card the requires a thorough background security check. Then let me show my card and board. Done.
Diana S Lane November 15th, 2010 10:04 am ET
Why are we doing body searches within the US? Considering all the bombers that have made our fying experience miserable were on intrnational flights? Do we really need body scans in Omaha?
Why you ask...do you remember Timothy McVeigh, thats why. Right in the Heart of America...bet you never thought an American citizen could be on your list of bombers making things miserable, huh? With our "open" borders...who knows what is boarding your flight in Omaha. I'm with Karan ...I'm getting on the plane, I got nothing to hide....lets all follow protocol and board the plane safely. If not, step out of the line...drive, peddle or skate your way to Grandma's house, but don't abuse a TSA agent for doing his job. I'm not thrilled about being body scanned or getting a pat down, but I will take the two minutes of inconvenience gladly over the alternative...anyday. Hannah
I haven't had to fly since 1999 when I flew out & back in of the country. You mean to tell me that all combined, the metal detectors, and the puffer machines that detect explosive materials isn't enough?? Hasn't the federal government, with all our federal tax money at their disposal, deployed these machines in all U.S. airports, and maybe at foreign airports that have either U.S. air carriers, where the flight is bound for the U.S., or at those foreign airports, where the foreign owned air carrier is bound for the U.S.?? Maybe the U.S. ought to either hire the Israeli's to do security at all U.S. airports, and at all the foreign airports that have flights coming into the U.S., or have the Israeli's train us Americans on how to detect(observing while questioning passengers) a person at an airport who has ill intent. There hasn't been another incident at the Ben Gurion Airport in Israel since July 23, 1969. When will the TSA get their act together and fix the problem of those puffer machines? If those foreign governments refuse to have either Israeli security officials, or Israeli-trained American officials at their airport at the gates of the American carriers, I'd say to those foreign governments, 'you just lost our business'.
This man is truly heroic for making such a sacrifice and standing up for what he believes in. They will undoubtedly hassle him and subject him to further investigations, which a lot of people are not willing to bear and that is what they count on. But true patriots and defenders of freedom and liberty are willing to take a stand at times. I too am concerned about the safety of these machines which I don't believe has been fully studied yet. Because of this, why should I have to subject my family and I (including my 16 month old baby girl) to an intrusive pat down. We shouldn't in a free society. For all those ignorant people who say well just don't fly then, why should we have to go back to the stone age and not fly just because some bozo determined that we should now have naked body scans and pat downs. People need to fly in this day and age, it is not practical to drive or train everywhere. But our choices should not be the ones Tyner faced and we all face. It is the people's country, not the government. Trouble is government has been scaring the crap out of people since 9/11 and that is why they keep introducing all this security theater. All I want to know is where I can donate money to his legal defense if they have the nerve to fine him?
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,... and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Obviously the TSA has no regard for the Constitution. (Fourth amendment, FYI, for any of you people that aren't familiar with that document.)
I can understand the distress that Mr. Tyler had over the pat down. I myself went through the scan machine but had to experience the invasive pat down due to the machine not reading correctly. I had no idea what the pat down was going to be and thought it would be like it was before basic but thorough enough to identify hidden objects. Unlike Mr. Tyler, I was not given the option to have the pat down in private. I was in the middle of the security area where everyone passing could observe and see. I am sure my face had a look of distress because it was a very mortifying experience and totally unexpected. I tried making like of the pat down with the TSA agent but the person conducting the search was a sour puss and needed a personality lift. The irony of the whole event was it was clearly obvious that I did not and could not have hidden objects in my form fitting clothes that had not pockets. Let's just say I have no desire to go through that pat down again. It was a mortifying and violating experience that I prefer to not go through again. As for the machine. Those directing travelers through the machine need to give clear and concise instructions so people do not have to unnecessarily be diverted to the invasive pat down. Personally, I feel the pat down is way too thorough and totally unnecessary especially when one submitted to the body screen. If the machine does not work correctly then TSA should allow the traveler the opportunity to do the screen machine again rather than diverting the traveler to the pat down. I understand that security is key and safety for all travelers flying is necessary but improvements to the system can be made and the pat downs should be down in private not in the open for all to see and watch.
Honsestly, Whats the big idea ? Its airport security.. here doing theyre job, to not only protect our borders, but also the lives of people that are flying. What doesnt this guy understand? C'mon, dnt you understand, weve been a war for years now, things have been going on. Just a few weeks ago, there was an unidentifyed package flying on a US bound airline. Seriously, get over it, its not a big deal... This is coming from a 14 year old that lives in New York.
I will opt out this christmas. When will the majority stand up and say enough is enough.
I just returned from Amsterdam yesterday....
The security protocols at Schiphol International make our little inconveiences look miniscule.
Not only does EVERY passenger go through a scan machine, they then must undergo a hand pat search. The agaent was very thorough and I actually told him, "Dude, you're touching me where my wife doesn't touch me" but it did not deter him.
Bottom line is because we have lunatics and religious fanatics intent on killing us because they hate our freedom, we have lost our right to enjoy "normal" air travel. Those days are gone and we all must learn to deal with it.
TSA also needs to have boundries, because it's only a matter of time until these lunatics start trying to smuggle weapons in body cavities and I do expect to have a body cavity search everytime I fly.
TSA "Don't touch my junk"...sounds like a new hit record
It is ineffective in-your-pants bureaucracy.
Losses arising from the hijacking of planes are rare.
Look how many years back we have to look to discuss one.
And the people who manage to bring hazardous materials aboard planes always seem to be ahead of the thought process of the bureaucracy anyway, as these terrorists continue to invent new flight protocols.
Maybe plane hijacking and mischief on the plane are so rare that flyers and would-be flyers should deem the risk of cancer from the scanners to be as much of a concern as terrorists.
I am less worried about my Government lying to me than the corporations who profit from the sales of these machines. Profit precedes prudence so often in this country that it's frustrating,
As so many people seem fond of quoting our "founding fathers", here's a Franklin quote to live by: “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
Someone made the train argument, which is a very good one. Assuming a suicide bomber boards an elevated train in Chicago or perhaps a subway in New York, what next? Will there be lines to board the morning train as we are scanned? Perhaps lines of dogs which can sniff various chemicals as we pass them? I think you can see what sort of totalitarian, fear driven state this might lead to.
I've already had to use the body scanner–was rushing home to see my dying father and didn't have a choice. The reality is, most people will meet with situations where they have to fly and will go through the scanner or be patted down. If I want to drive to see my extended family, it takes two 8-hour days of driving and an overnight stay at a hotel. After going through that ordeal a few times, I would gladly go through the scanner and arrive at my destination in a few hours! As for "touching my junk"? Go right ahead...
I have observed the air travel experience degenerate from" part of the pleasure of the trip" to "an odious necessity to be avoided whenever possible". I am not alone in this viewpoint.
Due to this new security requirement I have cancelled my original Christmas plans which would have required an air flight, in favor of a trip that is practical by auto. If my daughter and her husband had not purchased non-refundable air tickets, I would have insisted they cancel their plans to join me for Thanksgiving. I consider their dignity and health to be far more important.
This new arrangement punishes the many for the actions of the few.
At best it is a misguided effort to avoid the accusation of bias.
It is unwise for any Government to blatantly impose a situation upon it's citizens that those same citizens view as placing them in jeopardy and are protesting as such. This is the situation at hand.
It is time that the traveling public in the U.S demand that our Government contracts its security efforts to the scrutinizing of those who would logically represent a potential for threat.
There is a program that is poorly publicized that allows citizens to register themselves so that they can be verified as legitimate and non threatening. While I dislike regimentation-in these times it may be the wisest course of action.
Meanwhile, I experienced my first trip ( from the east coast to the mid-west) by bus. It was twice the travel time but 1/10Th the cost. The seating was far better, the food about the same, the treatment more courteous. Guess what I'm choosing whenever possible!
For those of you who don't mind being gawked at or molested at the airport, what happens when you have to do through the same thing at the courthouse, or mall, or even church?
Where does it stop?
You are being led and you don't even know it.
Good point. There actually have been a few number of plane crashes or near mishaps since 9/11. The engine problem being the most recent ones. If this risk is actually higher than terrorism, even slightly, then why isn't the TSA going nuts over it. Come on! Mechanics and Pilot(who make mistakes) should be made to give daily urine samples.
It's kind of ridiculous to be concerned about the radiation from these X-ray backscatter machines when a mere hour of flight afterwards exposes you to about 50 times the radiation dose. Multiply this with any additional flight hour. I am a frequent long-distance flyer myself and these scanners are the least of my concerns. Coming up with "the bad radiation" is always a cheap catch but that doesn't make such worries more educated. Please also note that the UCSF letter is kind of an isolated opinion among scientists.
I hope that travelers do refuse body scanners and intrusive pat downs.
It is alarming how desensitized the American public has become about these practices. It is undignified and humiliating to say the least.
What about the health risks for frequent fliers? I always feel so uncomfortable watching adult men take off their belts at the security point. What's next? This is a really bad procedure.
All TSA personnel are not so professional either. I had a horrible incident several years ago at O'Hare airport. Too indelicate for details.,
Sign me up for any anti scanning and body pat groups out there.
Since thre are fewwer of us, we will have to be LOUD.
If Israel can secure their planes without all of this, we should be able to as well. I am all for profiling and letting women, children and the elderly pass on all of these intrusions. More talk and less touch is needed.
ACTUALLY, the terrorists will win when the outrage of uptight Americans causes the TSA to stop doing body scans and pat-downs, thus allowing a terrorist to bring explosives through security and BLOW UP A PLANE.
That said, it is true that the 9/11 attacks did not involve explosives or weapons (other than box cutters), and Israeli-style BEHAVIORAL profiling would probably be much more effective in preventing future attacks.
Still, I don't understand the outrage here. I don't see this as a civil liberties issue because it does not strike me as an "unreasonable search." There is no "right to convenient air travel" written into the U.S. Constitution.
Warrantless wire taps? Not okay. But submitting to a frisk at the airport to reduce the risk of being blown to smithereens? It doesn't strike me as an unreasonably high price to pay. Yes, I would draw the line at cavity searches. And the idea of submitting children to these pat-downs makes me a little uncomfortable.
There will always be some risk in traveling by mass transit. Perhaps this is naive, but I'd like to believe that U.S. intelligence agencies are capable of detecting an elevated risk of terrorism, and I am willing to sacrifice a bit of personal dignity to reduce the risk to myself and my fellow travelers.
After reading many of the posts , I really hope that the flying public
will refuse to use these scanners and disallow pat downs. When the airlines start to lose customers – I do beleive we are still paying customers -they will realize the error in having these indignities imposed on us. Profile all of us in advance ! Airlines- know your customers!
I cannot imagine children being subjected to this. Where will we draw the line ? It is uncivilized and inappropriate.
No No No. Let's take our flying freedom back ! So sad that some of you are so nonchalant about being strip searched and having your body scanned.
We have to stop this before it becomes the norm. There are other methods.
We will never have another 911 because we, as passengers won't allow it. I don't know a single person who would not be ready to tackle a potential terrorist during flight. They will always be outnumbered on a flight.
We are not afraid of them anymore. We will fight them ourselves.
We are also much more observant of people around us on any given flight. They should be afraid of us.
I used to fly all the time, and enjoyed it....before 9/11 that is.
Since then it has become a royal pain in the rear...terribly long security lines, people treating you like dirt, and now these super machines that can see you naked. I bet a lot of the TSA weirdos are enjoying that.
Everyone knows perfectly well what a possible terrorist looks like, but now these guys pass, while the TSA staff X-rays little kids, old ladies, and anyone except one who actually might be a terrorist.
I've been driving a lot more, flying a lot less.
I am boycotting flying until this madness stops. I'm not a prude or terribly scared by radiation - I'm simply shocked at how my fourth amendment rights have just been junked toward the trashcan. This is unbelievable!
It's class warfare. Do the privileged ride commercial airlines and get prodded like cattle?
So not fair!
I have been working overseas providing and maintaining security systems for our troops in SWA AOR for the last eight years. I have been through many levels of search at airports and entrances to secure areas and it is more than obvious the signs at the entrances to these search areas. Photography is not allowed. This man purposely planned this event and I'm sure practiced his lines before he illegally recorded the incident. Why is there any discussion about this? This man is a criminal in the first degree and is trying to help terrorists learn our search practices to assist them with their next attempted attack. Why has the focus been shifted to the legality of the search? You are not allowed to expose our security practices and it endangers everyone when you do this. I guess because he used a cute word to describe his so called privates he should be excused from the laws that others respect. Lets get it together. Focus on what has happened. This man obviously planned this incident which makes it easy to find him guilty of violating the law. He knew it was illegal and he did it anyway. Nothing was gained by him doing this except his few minutes of fame. His time is now over and he should be fined the maximum amount and should probably serve jail time for his stunt which has definitely helped the terrosists in more than one way. Maybe he should even be charged with conspiracy to help terrorism. Come on AMERICA wake up. The continuous threat is real and the more we show the terrorists the easier we make it for them to sneak by our security. Do you think the terrorists that bombed the WTC practiced carrying on box cutting knives before the attack? Of course they did. If you want security to work it has to be done to everyone. Or just remove the checks and let everyone through with whatever they want to carry. Good luck with that attitude. These are the rules to allow you the privilege to fly on board the airplane. Just buying the ticket does not give you the privilege. Please stop helping the terrorists figure out how to beat the system and kill more Americans.
We live in the UK, so this stuff doesn't affect us... or does it?
Yesterday we were considering a holiday for the Christmas period. Ideas that came to mind were Peru and Vietnam. Looking at flights to Peru, we were offered (at a sensible price) a ticket that involved changing planes at Miami. Given that I don't feel good about being X-rayed unless absolutely medically necessary (my sister died of cancer. I was there when she died and it wasn't nice) and don't much like the idea of self and wife being groped by some airport security types, we decided not to go to Peru.
Doesn't affect us... but we are no longer considering going to Peru because it involves changing plane in the US.
I have a concern for people that have a history of trauma like PTSD and possibly could be triggered by the pat down. Where does that leave them? Next we will needing counselors at every airport to help people emotionally. I understand the concept of being safe, yet is there another option which could be less intrusive?
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