Brooke Baldwin talks to motorcyclist C.J. Petties about Sunday's incident in which a motorist was beaten following an accident involving a group of bikers.
If I am driving with my children in the car and was suddenly surrounded by more than twenty bikers driving recklessly bikes swerving at the sides of my vehicle causing me to look at them in order to not hit them then to have the one in front of the vehicle stop short to cause an incident then began to destroy my vehicle and punch or bash through the windows were my children are I would have exercised my wrights to protect the lives of my family and I by producing a firearm and using it to put down the threats to my family. Most bike clubs teach brotherhood and respect for others on the road this group did not receive these teachings and paid a very high price. You can play a thug all you want but to attack a car carrying children you get what you get.
All you people who say the driver was "running for his life" or "felt his family was threatened". He made this decision from when the bikers were mad from him hitting one guy, with a minor injury. But after he ran away, hurt more bikers (one seriously), they were even MORE angrier. And what happened? He only got light bruises and scratches, and his wife and daughter weren't TOUCHED. You cannot argue with the facts. He had no reason to put peoples lives at risk to "get away". Apparently this George fellow would have began shooting people instead of driving away. I would love to see how you defend killing someone in that kind of situation. Do you just shoot randomly at the people banging at your car? Can you honestly say that everone was equally worth being shot at in that instance? So many things wrong with how he approaches things.
Let the 1% clubs clear up and clean out these wannabes. The clowns that attacked the car need to go to jail to play with the real thugs-
CJ is full of it. I'm an avid motorcyclist and this was unreasonable behavior on the part of the bikers. CNN fails with this interview...totally one sided and didn't even consider the perspective of an individual surrounded by a dozen or more angry bikers...
A guy on a bike, who intentionally slows up so the 4,000 lb. vehicle in back of him rams him, is in need of some serious head examination. I drive the same kind of bike that they did, and very much enjoy stunt riding in a non public environment, but I am not impressed with the group bully mentality they flaunted. That is not what driving a cycle is about or what most motorcyclist are like.
This is part of the problem in this country of ours, I find it very funny that most people can sympathize with a driver that just drove his car over two other human beings , instead of stopping to see if he killed anyone, he speeds away. I find it very interesting that most commenters feel that the black bikers were at fault and the menace makers, George even comments about pulling a gun to protect his family from the big bad black bikers.
This is no different from the Travon case, when "some people" see a black male you assume the worst of them, you assume they started the trouble, when the truth is your fear of blacks is a bigger problem that any person of any color. Your fear caused you to behave erratic like pulling out guns, or driving over other humans because you assume they will harm you.
I will not sit hear and defend the bikers because I wasn't present, but I will never defend "anyone" who drives his car over a life that is worth as much as the his, his wife's, and his child's life.
I'm usually a fan of the level headed Anderson Cooper, in this piece he was very unleveled immediately sympathizes with the driver who should be charged with attempted murder, too bad Anderson, your usually better than this
@goat: YES. You just shoot at people "banging on your car"!!! They are attacking! You shoot every one of them and hope to kill.
The first 50 times I watched this video I made no distinction of the "bikers" ethnicity. I did, however, see a herd of "bikers" surrounding the vehicle, and a "biker" intentionally slow down in front of the SUV. Of course an average person would think that meant they were in imminent danger.
I use the term biker loosely, while they are on motorcycles, I don't personally know ANY real biker who would act like that and I know several M/C's.
The family is lying, and the videos prove it. He stopped to help someone who hadn't been injured? NOPE! I wish the guy who stopped short had been messed up too.
I am a biker, I ride a Harley Wide Glide and would never on purpose cut off any motorists not only is it rude but self preservation. I want to keep my distance from a car, truck, or SUV.. A motorcycle will not win an argument with a automobile!
I support the driver of the SUV, I have a family and I would have done the same thing in a mob. All reasonability with most mobs, does not exist.
Love motorcycles rode them, raced them professionally, worked on them, modified them, but never developed any need for club or gang type riding with road bikes. It is the herd mentality at work just like any other group when your in your herd group everyone else is an outsider so the them and us fight mode starts operating. I used to ride by the Harley Davidson gangs sometimes riding in the dirt of Jersey Pine Barrens on sand gravel roads, those guys were so out of place. They had to ride with their feet out in softer soil to keep from taking a spill. We dirt bikers would fly by them with our knobby tires 220 pound bikes and make them look like beached whales. Point being know your terrain ,know your machinery, know your hidden obstacles, know the likely unforeseen obstacles that can move. This gang of riders were not anything but dumb gang riding enthusiasts with ego herd mentality Soccer Game energy. The guy in the car was scared and out of touch also.
Not hearing much from MC driver who slowed down in front of SUV. Why? Let me propose a hypothetical and see how it changes the views on this forum. Suppose a group of MC riders were driving on the highway and an SUV feels they're going too slow and tries to force his way through the crowd, driving 20 or 30 mph above the limit. MC riders start yelling at driver to slow down, and one of them stupidly tries to force the SUV to slow down by pulling in front and braking. SUV driver bumps biker, and stops. Rest of bikers are angry and upset that a biker was hit and start yelling at him for his reckless driving. Another biker wants to ensure the driver doesn't leave the scene, and stupidly punctures tires of SUV. Driver now gets scared, and drives over another biker. Things then got out of control – but the SUV driver certainly wouldn't be blameless. (But if that was the situation, I imagine we would have heard from the biker who first got hit.)
@goat – In most states (I am an attorney and a Marine) self defense law looks at the perceived threat from the point of view of the person who defended himself. If you and your friends through your actions make someone fear for his or someone else' life or limb he can use deadly force to stop the threat. Your opinion as to what the other guy should have thought and your true intentions are not relevant.
In other words, scare someone enough and they can use deadly force to defend themselves, their family, and anyone else who they believe is in harm's way.
What a wasted piece of video. "CJ" basically said absolutely nothing and avoided answering direct questions by diluting them with opinions vs. the occurance(s). If anyone noticed, mostly all of the motorcyclists removed their license plates so that message is received about them. "Reach Out" means go after or get him. It's amazing how riders can't see all the disrespect and broken traffic laws committed that day and refuses to accept the who, what, when where and why.
I wish those
'bikers" would try that down here in Texas, would make my day.
I like the intelligent comments made by some citizens,
herd mentality, cuttying off a car, maybe. But the cyclist did look back at the suv as slowing, by downshifting or maybe low fuel, buit NO Brake lights.
it doesnt matter they didnt touch the whole family, the behavior and # of the group is enough to give a feeling of danger, any reasonable, sane person would think they are in danger , and thier family when that volume of cycleists start swarming around and trying to box you/them in. I almost want to stereotype and generalize, but that they are a younger generation, the ones that have little respect, think they have no consequences, Mommy should have punished you more and not wiped your butt so much (did your chores , enabled).
Why are you still living in these cities? They are full of criminals and gangsters like these bikers who'd kill you in a heartbeat if they didn't fear doin' time. Can't understand why you'd live in a place where you can't count on your neighbors to help you – not kill you if they got the chance.
@goat: You conveniently forgot to mention why the SUV bumped into the first bike – it was because the biker purposely stopped short in front of the SUV to make it stop so his buddies could screw around on the roadway. That was the start of things and makes all the difference. Puts the responsibility squarely where it belongs – on these outlaw bikers.
This CJ Petties is full of BS, this guy is one of them gangsters, no different. He should be charged as well, he admitted to signal to the bikers aka gangsters to "reach out", so i think he's responsible for this whole thing, he should be charged.
CNN did nothing with the interview than to give CJ a forum for him to BS. What a pathetic interview. Hope CJ gets what's coming to him.
Semper Fi Andy I wish you could prosecute this case I know justice would be served
I really do not agree with less charges. All those bikers must go to jail.
Doesn't anybody know the real story-line? It all started when the first biker slowed down in front of the car behind him, and turned around to look at him, almost as if taunting him, which resulted in the car hitting him, slightly injuring the biker. This caused the other bikers to respond as if one had shaken a hornet's nest. This is why the driver didn't stop, but drove off. So then bikers called others ahead of them and they organized a road block with spikes. As the vehicle slowed, all of these bikers got off their bikes and began approaching the vehicle, trying to open his door. That's why the driver sped off, running over other bikes to get away. That's where the "fear for your life" factor comes in, especially with wife and baby in tow. The bikers had no business setting up a road block, and that's why their friend is in critical condition. It all began when the driver of the car was obviously being taunted from the beginning. They should have called the police, and followed at a safe distance.
A very similar situation occurred to my wife in Texas. She knows to pay attention to bikes – as I ride myself. A bike gang overtook her on the road, and passed her – then the bike in front of her purposely slammed on his brakes – just like in this story; luckily she gave him enough following room so that she didn't hit him. Even still – the rest of the gang surrounded her vehicle and would not let her move. After a few minutes of indimidation (she locked herself in the vehicle) – they left.
This event happened to my wife last year. I wonder is this a pattern going on all over the country? What is this about (breaking and letting cars hit you?) As a bike rider myself, I don't understand this behavior.
Cave Painter, you got it right and these people's actions just give other riders a bad name. That, and this C.J. guy in the video is full of it...
One thing pointed out in the interview concerning the editing of the video. The bikers who created the disturbance edited the film most certainly leaving out the events and behavior of the group prior to the "stopping short" I am certain that there is or was much more video incriminating the biker group we have not and never will see.
When drivers of the road exhibit behavior that ends up in accidents and injury, we call it "road rage". Typically, when the responsible parties look back at their actions, if they are reasonable in judgement, either would probably wish they had behaved differently, if given it to do over again. Yes, the biker that tried to slow the vehicle down was reckless. He should face charges. The driver of the SUV, after knocking the biker off is bike, made a decision conscious decision afterward, after stopping his vehicle, to run down two more bikers, critically injuring one. Just because another driver waves his finger at you or yells across the roadway at you, that does not give you the right to use your vehicle to injure that person. This is clearly a typical situation where both drivers questioned "right of way", which is typical in most road rage situations. So that the law and rules of the road best serve the interest of the public at large, both drivers should be charged. The more serious charge in my humble opinion, should be to the driver of the SUV.
These clowns were at fault and deserve what is coming to them, and more. That being said: Whenever I see a group of bikes on the road, I always get out of their way. I bear to right and slow down, so they can travel as a group. This is not only courteous and safe, it is obviously the smart thing to do.
I have a 30 min. commute one way everyday to work. I've been doing it for 15 yrs. on I95 in south Florida. I've seen my share of carnage on I95. But the one thing I will never understand are the bikers. They haul ass through traffic. When traffic comes to a stop it should include everyone even bikers. Not these guys, they run in-between lanes at 30 or 40 mph. So far I've seen 3 unlucky bikers kissing a car that was changing lanes. I'm at an exit where the line is half a mile long what do I see is a biker cutting through traffic to get to the front. After 15 yrs. my mind is set, if it's between me and one of these bikers they will loose. What I see in my commute is no honor, no respect, not type of brotherhood from these pathetic individuals. But that's just my opinion. Bikers want respect, earn it by obeying our laws.
Anyone that had a group of people, bikers, blacks, whatever that were trying to stop them by putting a slow moving vehicle, bike, whatever in front of you would have done the same thing. I would shoot, run over them first and ask questions later. There is no reason a motorist should have to subject themselves to an angry group and risk being killed. Better to kill than be killed in that situation! Family first, angry people last. You can call me crazy, but I'm alive and not paralyzed or pending charges or conviction.
The driver or the SUV didn't go looking for a motor cycle gang to mess with on the road, they looked for him and found him, after they threatened him and his family there are no rules they are lucky he didn't have a gun and kill them which he would have been well within his rights.
The biker was run over because he slammed on his brakes. Poor decision on his part. It's always sad to see a nice bike get run over. All in all poor decision by both parties were made. But you can't get mad at a guy for protecting his family. Final ruling should be 70% Biker gang 20% driver and 10% the people sitting in traffic that didn't have legally concealed weapons to stop the beating.
From the video you can see when the SUV driver drove over the idiot on the bike, others were already stopped and surrounding the SUV. While they were moving, you can also see the one white bike got in front of the SUV and slowed down. Once the SUV driver was surrounded by many of these idiots, he must have felt his life and his family's lives were in iminent danger. The SUV driver did what he had to do to get to safety. Once they cornered him and started beating the window in (instead of calling law enforcment) he should have done it again. The idiots are lucky they didnt do that in a 2nd amendment friendly state (unlike Nazi-York) or shots would have been fired and many of the idiots would have been "stopped" during the attack. In addition, please don't insult real bikers by calling these idiots bikers. We are some of the most thoughtful and caring people anyone would ever meet. These idiots are thug – biker wanna-be's.
Yep- He/she spelled it wrong. When the retard felt it was a good idea to slam on his brakes in front of a 5,000 pound SUV he, himself, placed a value on his own life less than the value of the family in the car. And to "A Real Biker". I would be careful to generalize all bikers as saints. Hells Angels can hardly be considered a biker club you would want your kids to join when they grow up. A biker is simply someone who rides a motorcycle.
@You can't help being racist can you! i fail to see how this case is anything like the Travon case, there is proof that the bikers were in the wrong. You obviously do not have kids and or do not understand the mentality of a "thug biker wanna be." You think that by stopping to see if the bikers were ok would have stopped this man from being beaten to an inch of his life In front of his family? You must live in some incredible fantasy world if you think that!
I am with George Allen %100. I was actually asking myself what would I do if I were in that situation and had a weapon in the car. I would %100 use it to protect myself and my family from a gang of people (bikers, drivers, meat cutters, baseball players...black, white, green, blue...does not matter) smashing my window and trying to hurt me and family. You do not know in that situation what they are going to do, do you? I answered myself that I would defend my family till the last bullet, as much as I hated it. This is a case of teaching ethics in colleges, similar to the ones they use as case studies. You are between two evil deeds, which one would you do? As bad as George's choice sounds, it is the one I would choose, and hate that choice probably, but I would have to.
The driver should've ran the bikers over, AND he should've shot them dead as they angrily approached his vehicle, thats the part that didn't play out right... The driver didn't have a gun in his possession when the idiots started bashing his windows and beating on his car. NEXT time I bet he'll be packing heat, because that's something idiots can understand (hot lead passing through their body). I would've gave warning and shot those that wer in the act of damaging the vehicle AND reloaded if needed.
I am an avid biker. That being said, however, it is unforgivable to use a two thousand pound SUV to potentially kill/maim other bikers who at that moment knew nothing of what was going on. They reacted (logically) when they were faced with the SUV almost running them down. I would have gone crazy and chased down the driver as well if I were in there shoes, regardless of who was in the car! Anytime a large SUV faces a two wheel motorcycle, the SUV will win, hands down. The proper course of action for the SUV driver should have been to slow completely down when he saw himself surrounded and allowed the bikers to proceed. Once they cleared him, he could have taken an exit off the road or waited until they were long gone. The fact is that this was a road rage incident and anyone with half a brain knows the best thing to do in a road rage incident is back off and let things cool down, regardless of who started it. This is similar to the George Zimmerman case. Instead of backing down and letting the situation diffuse itself, he chose to engage it and the results changed everyone connected with the incident for life!!! Nuff said!
I experienced the same EXACT thing in Baltimore, MD. A group of thug bikers were cutting off traffic, doing stunts in the middle of the road with little to no regard to the other drivers or law. From what I understand, the police couldn't do anything with them because they seldom have license plates on their bikes and the police cars can't keep up with em/catch them. It was the worst experience I've ever had. With my 84yr old mother and 89 year old father in the car, along with my at the time 1 yr old, it was very frustrating and even scary at times. They surrounded our car when I came to a complete stop after one of them purposely slowed down suddenly in front of us. After being detained for what seemed to be the longest 5 minutes ever, they continued on and proceeded to harass another car. They were almost daring folks to hit them. I agree that these bikers were/are thugs who were looking for a fight as evidenced with the intentional slowing down, yet, only those clearly involved understand the full scope of what was going on at the time. Emotions and the speed of the situation has to be factored into the events. It's hard to say how anyone should have acted or reacted in that situation and I do believe that the man felt threatened by the actions of the bikers. I also believe the bikers were probably pretty angry and pursued him. What I don't understand is how these bikers were "justified" with taking the law into their own hands. They damaged his car and beat him. Whether he was right or wrong, they had no right to do this and they should have to go to jail for it. They were the aggressor at the end of this.
Not all bikers are thugs but ... We were driving a rental car in San Francisco a few years ago. Traffic was stopped and a biker was driving (illegally and at high speed) between cars. He hit the driver side mirror on our car – when he noticed what he did, instead of stopping to see if he caused damage, he took off even faster! Fortunately there was no damage. Had there been, I would have had to pay. We always stay well away from bikers if only to prevent damage from stones they kick up given the have no fenders.
I've seen this video and read many things related to this incident! Can someone PLEASE tell me where it started, because in this video, the SUV just runs over the biker, then the chase is on! I must personally say from watching this, I don't blame the bikers for retaliating! I also don't know why the driver was not charged! He should have to defend his actions in court just as the bikers will have to do! There are TWO sides to every story! Just for the record, I am a white happily married female that still believes you SHOULD be innocent until PROVEN guilty!
The video does not seem to address the fact that the SUV driver overran the back of one bike, knocked it down then ran it over, possibly causing serious injuries, then sped away. it seems to me that the aggression that occurred after that, the biker smashing the SUV window with his helmet (and I understand dragging him out) was understandable and almost reasonable under the circumstances. The SUV driver had committed a serious offense or crime by driving off after what appeared to be an aggregious, unjustifiable "accident," for which he was refusing to take responsibility. That might naturally enough make the bikers pretty angry. The SUV driver should have stopped after the accident.
Rick writes about "driving a rental car in San Francisco a few years ago. Traffic was stopped and a biker was driving (illegally and at high speed) between cars." Apparently Rick is not a CA resident, otherwise he'd know that riding motorcycles between lanes of cars is legal in CA. Now the rate at which they were riding was probably NOT legal, but the "white lining" certainly was. The law governing that was passed due to concerns about bikers being tail-ended by cars in lanes. It was believed that bikers would be safer if they were not lined up with cars. The law is somewhat controversial (many people think it dangous), but I'd say it should be up to the bikers, who are mostly at risk. Of course that biker was in violation for not stopping after hitting Rick's mirror.
seems everybody is referring to these punks as bikers. What an insult. There were no real bikers involved in this incident only a bunch of guys on motorcycles (cops at that) who think they are above the law. the charges were dropped gee wonder why, could it be the fact that they were black and cops. I have been a member of a motorcycle club for 20 years if one of our members pulled a stupid stunt like that they would be out on their ears.
Despite the observable fact that the punk biker SLOWED down (no brake lights) and there was plenty of time for the SUV driver to slow down and avoid the intial impact, he chose not too. I don't care if the punks were stupid, illegal, or just a-holes, the SUV driver was wrong. Apparently the State of New York feels that someone pounding on your window and someone else slashing your tire, is enough to reasonably justify the use of deadly force and runover ANYONE in front of you. I cannot for the life of me understand why the SUV driver was not charged at all. If some thug tries to rob you, is it okay to run over his thug BUDDIES that are just standing there? Sorry, but I don't see where the SUV driver's "fear for his life" was reasonable. His wife actually claimed because gang eventually beat up her husband, it showed justification for his initally running over the bystanding bikers. Unbelievable. I hit you in the face, and when you hit me back, I claim self defense, and use your retaliation as proof of why I HAD to hit first! Only in New York.
Everyone here knows why the charges were dropped but were not allowed to say it......
As with most other I agree with the driver. As an avid rider myself you don't cut someone off just to slam your brakes. This biker started this whole incident and should be held accountable. It has nothing to do with race and it sure the hell has nothing to do with Travon Martin. As for self defense New York has huge restrictions on firearms. Pretty much cops and criminals carry firearms and NY feels that you should rely on the police to assist you. Personally I would be sitting in Rikers Island had they smashed out my window.
I've been in a car on a highway where a gang of motorcyclists decided for no reason to swarm around us playing chicken thinking its great fun to slow down and speed up and see how close they can come and how much of a scare they can throw into our family. This went on for miles until I found an exit ramp. Trust me, if I had bumped into one of them, there is no way I would have stopped for any reason to see what the hoodlums would do next. Good thing the law is on our side where we can remove ourselves from a dangerous situation where we fear for our safety. If you are going to bully people and be the aggressors and escalate the violence, you don't have any rights if you end up hurt. It could all have been avoided if they had stopped the harassment and not chased down the car and started slashing tires and smashing windows. It is illegal to threaten a driver never mind trying to get into his car. Charges against the bikers are appropriate. They are lucky no gun was pulled by the driver in self defense.
@Goat. You must not have seen the entire video as it clearly shows one of those thugs trying to pull the wife out of the car by her foot. I think it's safe to say his family WAS not only threatened THEY WERE IN IMMANENT DANGER.
Any of this gang of motorcyclist who stopped their bikes in front of the SUV, spread out across the lanes like that, SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED THAT THEY GOT RAN OVER.
You have to be idiots to think that someone is going to be passive as your gang STOPS THE FREEWAY to harrass him.
If the SUV driver had done something illegal then CALL THE POLICE, it's that simple. If you think YOU are going to be the police, stop the freeway, don't be surprised if you get run over. MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE RUN OVER YOU! Do dangerous foolish things like this, don't be surprised if you get hurt or killed
Nobody would put up with being surrounded on the freeway and stopped by strangers. NOBODY!
Can anyone tell me why the one cyclist PURPOSEFULLY pulled right in front of the SUV and then put on his brakes?
CAN ANYBODY GIVE A JUSTIFIABLE REASON FOR THAT ACTION?
in fact, noe of this would have or could have happened if the SUV driver had slowed or stopped when he came upon the bikers...oh? you didn't know...the bikers didn't catch up to him, he was barreling down the road and caught up to them! Who in their right mind thinks its a good idea to plow through a scrum of bikers?
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