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August 20th, 2014
09:32 PM ET

Part 1: The Underlying Chaos In Ferguson

CNN's Brooke Baldwin speaks to rapper and actor Michael "Killer Mike" Render about the violence and unrest in Ferguson.

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  1. Cindee Droge

    I was watching your show today on the discussion on how credible is Dorian as an eye witness. He may have been In the store but in the video you see him put the box Michael gave him back on the counter. I would find him credible unless his fingerprints, etc. show up on any evidence during the investigation.. But for now I look at the video and Dorian didn't steal and he left the store before Michael. I think that could be an argument about his character. Thank you.

    August 20, 2014 at 9:54 pm |
  2. 1776American

    67% and 92% why? Why does a majority allow the minority to rule? Whys doesn't the majority elect their own officials? Is it a better tactic to overthrow an elected government through race manipulation? Why is it surprising that the majority gets arrested? If justice is blind, why do we demand justice in subjective terms and not objectively? If a man commits a crime why is the non-aggressor the victim? Why is this a racist case? Because one care wants to bully their way into a verdict as if bullying their way to steal cigars? In the 60s police oppressed peaceful law abiding citizens for exercising their right to protest injustice. In the 21st century non-law abiding citizens can oppress authority by making a bully a martyr. Is this America?

    August 20, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
  3. ckt54

    Daryl Parks,on CNN this morning spewing out non truths about the shooting calling it a execution style murder. There are eyewitnesses who say that is not what happened. CNN doesn't push back and ask him to show that in evidence other than their eyewitnesses claim that. There are eyewitnesses of the shooting who saw the young black man attacking the cop,trying to grab his gun. The autopsy on his hand shows an abrasion of sorts which can show the black male was fighting the police officer for his gun. What do you think the black male would have done had he been able to take gun away he would have killed the cop. I live in Florida and in the last 5 years we have had several cops killed by black males because they overpowered,beat the cops down,took gun away and shot them. Cops either use their guns when being attacked or they are shot . You couldn't pay me or a family member to be a cop today. They have to put up with this type of inflaming,inciting,intimidation by all of you who don't even have all the facts yet. But you want him arrested and convicted or as the black panthers have been chanting with the protesters DEAD. If white cops are so bad why don't you police your own why not clean up the big cities where black on black crime is rampant? God, knows if I were a white cop I'd just let them all be, rather than go thru this. Then you can have all over this country what you have in Chicago and other major cities, blacks killing blacks and nobody doing anything.

    August 21, 2014 at 8:39 am |
  4. ckt54

    BTW, the journalists that was beheaded that is an execution type murder. If you don't like the elected officials then get out and vote, if you don't like the economy or the joblessness then blame your President. Stop blaming white people for all your problems.

    August 21, 2014 at 8:57 am |
  5. mike

    I am a current federal law enforcement officer and I am appalled at what the media is doing in the situation, not addressing the real facts, what did michael brown do to instigate the situation, this guy was 6' 2" and 290 plus pounds. If this guy had gotton ahold of that police officer he would have beaten him down.

    August 21, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
  6. mike

    I was just listening to brook talk to this democrate and both were saying that the PO's need more training, our attorney general says that he is on fergusons side and understands what they are going through, your kidding "NO SUPPORT" from the head law enforcement leader in the nation!!!!!!!!!!

    YOUR KIDDING, but what esle can we expect from an Obama supporter.

    August 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
  7. djmarski

    What if the cop was black ? Do you think the African American community would be this upset ? I think just black people don't like whites and that's what it comes down to . Micheal Brown was a criminal lets not forget this . So if the cop was black and shot him 6 times , the black community would not protest like this .

    August 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
  8. WJD

    Ms.Baldwin, you guys got it all wrong, after the shooting that police department went into CYA (cover your ass) every cop in the world knows this, this procedure is taught on day one in training, the statement about the officer being injury is one step in the cover up, to justify the killing of that innocent black male.

    August 21, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
  9. Pat

    what is wrong with the policeman, why can't they tease instead of shooting people that don't have a gun? They are killing our blacks like they are some kind of wild beast and then they feel they are justify in what they are doing but oh Mr Policeman just know you got to stand before God too one day to give account for all the people you killed thier blood is on your hands. TEASE STOP THE KILLING

    August 21, 2014 at 3:49 pm |
  10. Chasbo

    Brooke is a world class buffoon. Rather than do her job as a supposed journalist she has obviously decided that she has a horse in this race. Like all of these cable shows they have to keep talking about things they don't know about just to fill time. Total lack of objectivity. It's all about sensationalism.

    August 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
  11. mike

    Pat

    pls learn how to spell and again sincce you arn't a PO you don't know what it is like to have someone running at you with your life in jeopardy. taser don't always work especially on a large man (290 plus pounds). Law enforcemnt has what they call a Use of Force Continum, in that you have a series of ways to defend yourself, and the others around you i.e. voice, hands, secondary weapons and a gun. Officers must make that split second decision on what level of force is to be used to meet the force coming at them or others!

    The rule of thumb is if you feel your life is threatened you use the force necassary to "STOP" the assailant!

    August 21, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
  12. Pat Ronan

    Don, when you are asking people about what justice they want you should not only ask the deceased parents and friends. You should also have on TV the Policeman's family and frriends. Do you want justice or revenge? I see very one sided opniions from you Don. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are unprofessional. Justice comes in all forms.

    August 21, 2014 at 11:14 pm |
  13. Yvonne Wilson

    I have been watching this coverage and haven't heard anyone mention the training and policies of this Police Dept. First the Chief says the officer initially stopped the two because they were walking in the middle of the street. He then said the officer heard the dispatch broadcast of the strong arm robbery and noticed cigars or whatever on him. If this is true, in some states a strong arm robbery is a felony. What is the policy for going out on felony suspects? Does it require letting dispatchers know you see the suspect and ask for backup due to the felony? In the state I live in, it is police department policy that 2 officers are dispatched on felony calls. Mr. Brown was not running! The officer had time to wait for another officer before confronting him and taking his life. If the Police Department doesn't have policies set on how many officers respond to different types of calls, now is the time to put new policies and training in place. The whole incident is a tragedy on both sides!

    August 22, 2014 at 12:28 am |
  14. 1776American

    Nobody is killing blacks. They are simply self-destroying. What a shame.

    Dr.King's effort destoyed little by little by a community that martyrs bullying, lack of education and worst lack of investment in their own. Generation after generation of poor family values.

    Yes, Drm King your dream has turned into a nightmare and all the media cares about is their ratings not a push for serious social dialogue. Shame, shame, shame!

    August 22, 2014 at 2:29 am |
  15. ckt54

    CNN had Spike Lee on and he stated " I believe white people are out to get black males' Sunny Hostin while covering the Zimmerman trial on CNN stated 'I believe white people are out to get black males' just to name a few, there are many others who have been on CNN and made such statements. Isn't it black males who are going around the country and playing the 'KNOCK OUT' on whites. If this young black male who got shot thought for one second that whites or white cops were out to get him he would not have been walking in the middle of the street after having committed a strong arm robbery 2 blocks away. Give me a break, he just strong arm robs a store and he walks in the middle of the street so everyone can see him. He's not afraid of anyone.It showed in his demeanor and his body language in the way he treated that store owner who tried to stop him. You won't hear CNN who have all these race baiter pundits on at the very least ask them to provide facts before making these kinda statements. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theatre to me.

    August 22, 2014 at 9:45 am |
  16. Anonomous

    In the wake of the violence and unrest in the Louis suburb of Ferguson, we have often seen rappers being interviewed on CNN as the only viable black demographic of role models in the Michael Brown case. Why do we keep running to rappers to represent the African American community, when they have been predominately bad role models for our youth? They are partly the blame for the behavior of our youth, so please stop glamourizing the rappers, as we have many intellectuals that can be interviewed in lieu of them. – Anonymous.

    August 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm |
  17. 1776American

    Amen Anonymous! This is why I say our black community is on a self-destruction path.

    Rallying behind "Big Mike" undermines the rights of law abiding people -of all races!

    No talk whatsoever about the victims at the convenience store he attacked and the store clerk assaulted. Nor any talk about the black-owned stores looted by opportunistic-voltures and rats.

    Really??? This is Ferguson's community at is best? This is fair and objective reporting CNN?

    August 22, 2014 at 9:47 pm |
  18. Anonomous

    Video Observation.
    For an officer to be in a scuffle, and have to go to the hospital hours later for a possible broken socket.
    The video showed him pacing up and down near the body, but never once touching his face. There seemed no need on his part to be medically treated at this lengthy crime scene. All of a sudden he has possibly a broken bone in his face. Showing no pain in the videos.
    Does anyone this is strange?

    August 23, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
  19. mike

    Anonomous

    have you ever been in a fight, adrenilene takes over, you are not immediately aware of any issues with yourself, it is a fact he had a brusied and swollen face from the altercation with brown.

    So NO, I do not find this strange!

    August 25, 2014 at 10:21 am |
  20. 1776American

    Anonomous (Anonymous)

    First my apologies to all for the long commentary.

    Police officers are in combat 24×7. Every stop, every contact with a suspect is a potential deadly situation -it doesn't matter what race, gender, size, or ethnicity.

    Training is critical but so is timing. There is very little time to think, which is why training is so important. My dad was a cop; my background is military. For the most part because of our mission, Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen and Coast Guardsmen, we all have the advantage of knowing -most of the time- when deadly force is necessary; it's called combat and it normally happens during well established hostilities.

    Law enforcement personnel on the other hand, take actions based on the little "situational awareness" they may have, i.e. contact with an aggressor, what they have experienced, intelligence on the location/environment they operate in plus any reports they may have received. No cop is going to react the same way. Their reaction will vary; they are humans!

    How can you tell a good guy from a bad guy? One guys comes to your door, tall, full of tattoos, no shirt and pants hanging by his knees; the other looks like a poster boy for the local church. Guess which one just wanted water and which one was ready to rape? Real-life scenarios; which one was black; which one was white? Bottom line you never know when evil is about to strike.

    There are several tragedies in the situation: Mr. Brown's actions that day made him a potential dangerous criminal; the tape evidence does not lie on this subject. The police officer who confronted Mr. Brown – saw him, measured the size of his opponent and had a violent altercation before exercising deadly force – at least one witness can testify to this fact. As for Mr. Brown's associate, his account is invalid, because he himself was part of a crime -he will say whatever he can to get off the hook and jump on the "I'm a victim" band wagon. The confrontation could have ended immediately by simply not running away.

    The last tragedy is the inaction by this community. You can't claim discrimination when you fail to exercise your democratic rights to representation! This African American community, claiming majority, has no leaders. No one wants to be in a position of authority because they don't want to take responsibility for their future or be accountable for their inaction. It's to easy to blame others.

    I believe the majority of the people in our United States know and are at peace with the fact that in the not so distant future this will be a nation of colored people as Dr. King once predicted. However, none of us should be at peace with allowing minorities to represent us in any community -Anglo, Hispanic, African American, Asian American, Native Americans, etc. our Congress does not represent us as a mix of different peoples -not a peep coming out of the Speaker of the house or the Senate's majority leader.

    Things need to change. Hopefully out of this tragedy, true justice will prevail and social change will come. If this community's desire for revenge wins, then we all lose.

    August 26, 2014 at 1:15 am |
  21. 1776American

    But to be fair... the chief of police at Ferguson cannot claim that he had no knowlegde of bigots within his unit. It's part of the responsibility and accountability of being in a position of authority. He needs to fire these unprofessionals, and then he needs to step down himself. He has failed his community.

    August 26, 2014 at 2:01 am |

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