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Karpinski, Abu Ghraib, and pardons
Something was said on CNN this morning, and I wonder if it will stun you like it stunned me.
First – let me say – in no way, shape, or form do I have compassion for terrorists, but I do take issue with people who take advantage of their authority.
Let me remind you of those photos from the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq:
Former Army Spc. Charles Graner, and the woman he later married, Megan Ambuhl, thumbs up and smiling over tightly stacked, naked prisoners. They say they were just following orders.
Then there was former Army Pfc. Lynndie England, puffing a smoke near a prisoner and posing for the camera.
By the way, we know of no classified memo that would condone pointing at a prisoner's genitals while someone's taking a picture.
OK. Now that your memory is refreshed... listen to this, from CNN's American Morning:
That was Col. Janis Karpinski (Ret.), the disgraced and demoted former head of Abu Ghraib prison.
11 of her soldiers were convicted of crimes related to the scandal – and some officers were reprimanded.
Now that CIA memos on torture have been released, Karpinski says 'hey, why shouldn't my soldiers be off the hook too?'.
What do you think – do they deserve presidential pardons?
As always, you can leave comments below; if you haven't taken our Quick Vote yet, you can do that too.
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I say 'no' to pardoninig the soldiers. What message would that send to devout Muslims? Wearing a (military) uniform does not excuse any person from having at least half a conscience. It's the same reason why the circumstances surrounding those 2 boys committing suicide is so abhorent – every person has an inviolable dignity that accrues to their humanity by virtue of being human...I agree with your team on the latter point.
Yes they should be pardoned...all of them. You ask why I bet? Well they were ordered to do this....and if they did not follow military orders they would be court martialed. I am a Viet Nam vet and this does not surpise me one bit....when the original story broke way back when...I knew these individuals were scapegoats for Cheney and company.
Cheney should be imprisioned for this and others like Rummy and W.
This should be a high profile story on CNN and in our country..but it gets swept under the rug because it is just another event by our leaders that no one cares about.
I would love to see big mouth Cheney do hard jail time...I despise this idiot!
I still say 'no' to pardoning the soldiers, with all due respect to those have have served their country with distinction. A court martial? Is that as unpleasant as an unclean conscience?
Kyra: You are always at your best. In other words, I believe you are an 'exceptional' Reporter. Here is my point. Your Medical Correpondent (the Lady,not Dr Gupta) was trying to explain to Tony Harris why it is totally unnecessary for the Egyptians to be killing off their pig population. And she said the virus is spreaded by close contact like from husband to wife, to child, to sudent then to students and so on. What I think she needs to definitiverly explain is "how did this virus travel from the pig to humans in the first place" Tell us about the virus as Point #1. There was that little lapse or fuzziness that make people wonder. And probably, if cleared up would educate the Eyptians a little better. So, please bring her back to the tube and have her explicitly explain that part.
Did I make myself clear? Yahmon!!!
Kyra: You are always at your best. In other words, I believe you are an 'exceptional' Reporter. Here is my point. Your Medical Correpondent (the Lady,not Dr Gupta) was trying to explain to Tony Harris why it is totally unnecessary for the Egyptians to be killing off their pig population. And she said the virus is spreaded by close contact like from husband to wife, to child, to sudent then to students and so on. What I think she needs to definitiverly explain is "how did this virus travel from the pig to humans in the first place" Tell us about the virus as Point #1. There was that little lapse or fuzziness that make people wonder. And probably, if cleared up would educate the Eyptians a little better. So, please bring her back to the tube and have her explicitly explain that part.
As a former Intelligence Sergeant of the 290th Military Police Brigade (deactivated in Oct. 1985), the predecessor of the 500th Military Police Brigade, (Karpinski’s unit) I believe that the Bush-era memos had nothing to do with the sophomoric behavior of the soldiers at Abu Ghraib. The chain of command in such a unit is very short: An Intelligence Sergeant, his supervisor, the G-2 Intelligence Officer and his superior, the commanding General. Karpinski said “The soldiers were receiving instructions from people who obviously had experience at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or Bagram Air Force Base, or somewhere in between.” Regardless of who else may have been attached or assigned to her unit, she failed in the proper command of her unit and is making excuses for her own ineptness and incompetence. She got off lightly with only a reduction in rank.
Although her solders did ill repairable damage to the image of the United States, they should get a pardon if any are still in prison but they should not have all of the convictions overturned or their dishonorable or bad conduct discharges overturned.
Here is a definition of torture:
A condition in which the Subject begs to be killed so that they will no longer suffer.
All else is an uncomfortable situation, harassment or humiliation.
nothing in particular - just sain', well, it's a fact. I mean that pardoning's all well and nice and a feel good moment for everyone, but is justice and fairness served? On the other hand, I tend to agree with the Intell Sergeant, who knows better than me about these matters.
I think you are the best Kyra. I don't know why they added that guy Rick, but don't you worry. You are still the best anchor out there. Keep bringing the news like you always do. Do you like Black Flag? I heard you mention them on one of your segments. You can e-mail me at def_star@live.com. I hope to hear from you.
When does religion cross the line? If your child is dieing of cancer and your religion forbids you of cancer treatment, shouldn't the law come in and regulate? There has to be some kind of policy where it states that it is cruel to deprive a human being of disease treatment. I hope that child's parents come to their senses and decides to put him in a hospital.
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