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October 15th, 2009
08:29 AM ET

Should the H1N1 Vaccine Be Mandatory for Health Care Workers?

The New York State Health Commissioner has made seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines mandatory for health care workers who have contact with patients. Right now, New York is the only state mandating the vaccines. The CDC has not advised states to do this.

Do you think the H1N1 vaccine be mandatory for health care workers? Post your comments here.

Filed under: Heidi Collins
soundoff (207 Responses)
  1. John Abromavage/Ruggedcwby

    In a hospital situation it is about the PATIENTS, not the self absorbed nurse with control issues and the government. If she is going to be around all those sick people then it should be mandatory as not to spread illness, ANY illness to patients, her "complaint" is selfish and baseless PERIOD.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:19 am |
  2. Jean Rockenhaus

    I am a nurse in Texas, and have read "The Great Influenza" and was appalled at the loss of health care workers during that pandemic. If there is even a possibiltiy of this becoming as wicked as the 1918 flu, then it would be catastrophic to lose millions of nurses and care workers. I do not have a problem with mandatory immunization.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:19 am |
  3. Justin

    Once again the government is trying to control the individual. Keep in mind If New York wins this it will set a precedent that the governement can do with our bodies whatever THEY feel is necessary. What will be next? Everyone will have to have an RFID chip embedded under you skin because the government feels it would be safer for the public. We are on a slippery slope.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:19 am |
  4. Denise

    Yes, I think as a patient, I should be able to expect my health care worker to be vaccinated, just as I should expect him or her to wash hands and abide by other safe practices. Employers (including the state) should have the right to set standards related to conditions of employment that relate directly to the job, as this does. Thank you

    October 15, 2009 at 9:19 am |
  5. C. Badami

    No. Health care workers have the same rights as the rest of the population. No one should be compelled to get any vaccines against their will. There are other precautions such as gloves, masks etc. that can protect both patients and health care workers.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  6. Linda

    NO! NO! NO!

    This is their bodies and no one should be able to mandate what
    can be done to them against their will.
    Come on, are we in a communist country or what?

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  7. Tim Hull

    I would question someone that works in health care if they weren't the first in line for the vaccine. I thought the code was "first do no harm". By not getting the vaccine, they are creating a hazard that could do a lot of harm. Find the spirit inside that made you become a health care worker, and get the vaccine, not only for you but for those you work with and treat!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  8. anne

    Yes, we have a right to be protected. I wonder if they refused to get polio vaccine, etc. Oh well, when they get the virus, they will change their minds. Just , hopefully, they haven't infected others.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  9. michael armstrong sr. TX.

    this is a freedom of choice issue but it is also a issue of competence from people who are dealing with a decease that can kill them if they cant trust the people they work for then they need to get another job.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  10. Vinnie, Albuquerque, NM

    My daughter is an RN with 3 daughters at home. She is hesitant about the shot more from the point that she is not in a 'danger' group and doesn't want to waste a shot that could be used for someone who needs it. Also, she is stubborn and does not like being told what to do with her body.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  11. Peter

    Vaccinations imposed on health care workers, regardless of benefits, is beyond what our government should be allowed to do. The option should be left to the people to decide on.
    Moreover, it is only a gateway to future impositions and too much power.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  12. Monica Hrenko

    Absolutely not! In the name of safety, health, and national security, we are losing our civil liberties faster than most of us can even fathom. I personally would get the vaccine, but that being said, our freedoms are being stripped away from us at a ever increasing rate, very scary!!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am |
  13. brett

    NO. Especially since there is no guarantee that getting the vaccine will keep you from getting the flu or h1n1. Save the shots for the high risk and people who WANT it.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  14. Lisa Bee

    Absolutely NOT. Forced health care sounds one step closer to being China NOT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. One guy here just had a the regular Flu shot and within a half an hour was rushed to the hospital because he couldn't breathe. Vaccines & Medications are no longer safe with things like Formaldehyde and Mercury in them. Nasty AMA & FDA have Monsanto Employees working in them to push their nasty chemicals on us. People have a deep distrust of their Doctors thanks to sloppy practices from the AMA & FDA.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  15. Don

    I don't think it should be required maybe highly encouraged but not required. First of all, I thought some people died from receiving flu shots every year. Secondly, Flu shots don't work for everyone. In fact, it can make people get the flu or become very sick. I always get a flu shot, but mandatory is a bit strong for something that is subjective.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  16. Ngozi Orabueze (RN)

    Heidi,It is absolutely crazy for anyone to force Healthcare workers to get the H1N1 Vaccine. I'm a nurse and I've never had any flu vaccine all my life and I will never get the H1N1 vaccine.This is ridiculous.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  17. Angel

    Yes, It should be mandatory for health care employees to vaccinate for H1N1 for safety at all levels... Themselves, their families and patients at hospitals and doctor's offices.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  18. Jerry

    Absolutely the health care workers should be immunized. In their line of work they should know how easily the virus can spread. It's time for them to quit trying to get their 3 seconds of fame.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  19. Juan Batista

    Vaccines for flue viruses are made every year and tested for about the same about of time, the vaccine should be mandatory to protect patients, not doing so is irresponsible. There is no valid argument against the vaccine only a looney would refuse to use it.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  20. Darrell Sacchi

    No WAY no how should it be manditory and I back up all health care workers that are subjected to these threats!! Voluntarly is just that I'm s emt and that's just obserd and bs!!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  21. Maria Alford

    Yes, it should be required. When I go to a hospital, I should feel that my nurse or doctor is doing everything they can to avoid getting infected. The nurse is mistaken, or maybe she already has the H1N1 virus.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  22. Mohammed

    Heidi, I've been a combat medic in the Army for 5 years, and in the military, it is mandatory for you to have the seasonal flu mist/shot. While I was a medic, it was especially mandatory for us to have all of the vaccinations, in order to protect ourselves. This has been proven and has worked well for us, why not agree for implementing the same? It is better to ACT than to REACT.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  23. jay davies

    Probably not. It does seem intrusive, and why just health-care workers? What about grade school teachers and daycare providers? How about police and prison guards? People are "forced" to interact with them. Could you refuse to cooperate with a policeman because he hasn't been vacinated?

    October 15, 2009 at 9:22 am |
  24. Gloria

    I have hip replacement surgery scheduled for the 2nd week of November. My hospital is not requiring nurses to get the vaccine. I am concerned about my recovery being compromised if I get H1N1. I can't get the vaccine because I am not in one of the first groups to receive it. I am amazed that not one of the nurses interviewed expressed any concerns about patients.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:22 am |
  25. Andrea

    It's outrageous. Who do they think they are? These are private citizens, in the United States of America. The government, on any level, has no right to mandate that these nurses, or anyone for that matter, inject themselves. This is a slippery, slippery slope; tread carefully.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:22 am |
  26. Steve Amend (Las Vegas)

    Absolutely, yes. A medical care provider's first duty is to "do no harm." Nurses are on the front line of medical care, coming in contact with many people whom may be infected with the H1N1 virus. Nurses may contract the virus and spread the virus to many other patients before they show any symptoms. Additionally, if the nurses do not want to get the shot, then they have the option of wearing a mask, to protect them AND their patients. It is no different then wearing gloves when drawing blood – it is a universal precaution.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:23 am |
  27. Marie


    I am a canadian nurse and we have a differnt version of the h1n1 vaccine and in my circle of nursing friends we also have a big issue with goverment mandates to take this vaccine and i plan to not take it because of the same issues as the nurse in this situation. It's interesting to see this problem in U.S. being such a close neighbor. I wonder if this is an issue with other countries aswell and what the WHO position on this.


    October 15, 2009 at 9:23 am |
  28. lorrie moore

    I am a nurse at a psych hospital.. the patients need meds and have the right to refuse.. and they are mentally sick..I also have the same right!! I have never had the flu.. or the shot.. and do not plan to start now!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:23 am |
  29. Joanne Italiano

    Friend who teaches at Drexel University and West Chester University informed me two weeks ago that Drexel professors are prepared to fight for the same reason. Drexel is next to University of Penn who is talking about mandatory vaccinations for staff, if that goes through for Penn, Drexel will adopt same mandate. Personally I would fight it, I want control of my own body esp. when the extent of severity it is being blown completely out of proportion by the news media. There is NO emergency! What is trying to be pulled here, preparation for next year?
    Chester/Delaware Counties is the worst lyme endemic area in the world. There are millions of people who are undiagnosed or misdiagnosed with lyme, all unaware with compromised immune systems. What will happen to all the millions and millions with lyme across the country when they are forced to have an injection? One more of the many steps already taken toward communism.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:23 am |
  30. Sheryl

    I don't think the H1N1 should be mandatory for healthcare workers. I am a RN as well and feel that this is making us part of an experiiment, since this vaccine was rushed through FDA without enough side effects noted. Thank You.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:23 am |
  31. Octavia W

    I dont think that health care workers should be required to get this vaccine. I am currently a nursing student, and pregnant. If i were working in the hospital right now, i would also fight this. The H1N1 vaccine is too new and the side effects are still not clear. That is not a risk that i would be willing to take pregnant or not. I dont think that they even considered pregnant women when it comes to this regulation.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  32. aa

    no way...that is like asking people to inject something not adequately tested into their bodies ...that is viiolation of liberty and puts this important group at risk if there are reactions and side effects with these vaccines increasing shortage of health care workers

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  33. Lorraine

    The hepatitis B vaccine has been mandatory for healthcare workers for years. What is the big deal with this vaccine also being mandatory? The argument that you shouldn't be forced to take the swine flu vaccine are ridiculous considering the current mandatory vaccination program for healthcare workers. Healthcare workers who refuse to take the swine flu vaccine should be temporarily moved to positions where they dont have patient contact, in order to protect the public health. In a potential public health crisis like this, every doctor and nurse should be trying to protect patients. It is sad that any state would even need to mandate the vaccination program.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  34. Steve Fordice

    Of course they should be mandatory. Hospitals are notorious for secondary infections, and those nurses should be thinking about the lives and health of their patients. They should be lining up for the vaccine voluntarily. It is a shame that the government has to mandate it. Flo Nightengale is rolling over in her grave.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  35. Jessica Johnson

    It should NOT be mandatory. This has been the problem for the last several years. They keep telling us that we have to do something and it's for our own protection. How long before we lose our right to decide on anything? While it does create a possible risk, that's the side effect of having the Freedom of Choice, which was part of what America was founded on. So unless we're planning on changing to a tyrannical government, then health care workers have every right to refuse the vaccine

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  36. Arthur

    No Government should play God with my body. If I need health care, I will choose what my body needs. Big Pharma and Doctors are just experimenting with our long term well being at stake. History does repeat itself. As we have seen in the past, 10 years from now the NYC Times Best Seller may be about the horrible things done to people in the name of Medical Science. Made worse by Government Mandates into peoples health.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  37. larry

    peoples bodies are different. The h1n1 shot may be ok for one person to take, but might kill another! Keep freedom of choice.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  38. Gloria

    How dare these health care workers not take the steps necessary to protect their patients health. They have the choice to either take the vaccine or stay home. I say stay home because if a member of my family or I have to be rushed to the hospital by no choice of our own I do not want to have the extra risk of running into one of these so called health givers.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  39. Zee

    That nurse and lawyer should be ashamed of themselves! You're a nurse! Your job is to care for the ill! What if you DO get sick because you hadn't gotten your shot and you cause a patient to get sick, or worse, DIE! You should be fired because of your selfishness, you took an oath! However, if you win this lawsuit, then I believe if you DO get sick, you should be fired and have this whole ordeal on your record. I would never send my family or friends to a nurse like you!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  40. Gary

    I do not think that Health Care Providers should be forced to get the vaccine (H1N1) or lose their jobs. This will cause a shortage in providers at all levels from pre-hospital to hospitals. Each individual knows what the risk are and whether they should have the vaccine or not. This amounts to employers and local governments blackmailing the Health Care Providers in this country and if this is allowed what will be next.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  41. robert

    As a patient I have a resonable epectation that I can go to a hospital/clinic and leave there in no worse shape than I arrived. Why should I be potentially exposed to h1n1 when I need a suture? If this nurses doesn't like NY's rule she has every right to move to Mississippi.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |
  42. Tim

    Health care workers are offered hepatitis b shots to prevent illness from accidental needle sticks, but are not mandatory, any type of vaccination should be optional, it’s optional for parents to immunize their children and there a far more debilitating disease for a child why not mandate parents to immunize their children? It’s our freedom of choice to decide if we want to get the shots and should not endanger our jobs if we don’t want the flu shots, it’s ridiculous.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  43. Marilyn G.

    Unvaccinated wkrs. could easily spread H1N1 among hospital patients before their own symptoms become obvious. Also, their illness would leave hospitals and clinics seriously understaffed. Yes, wkrs. should definitely be vaccinated.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  44. David Dwyer

    Absolutely, health-care workers should be vaccinated against H1N1 flu, as this has be declared a pandemic flu by US health authorities, the World Health Organization, and all major countries. People struggling for their lives in hospitals should not have to struggle against yet another risk to their life. This is about life and death, especially for children.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  45. Laurie Penrose, Nurse

    I feel that No one has the ethical or moral right to violate your rights as a human being in regard to making an informed choice on what you put into your "OWN: body.
    The government or your own employer has no right to impose such a law mandating health care workers get an injection under any circumstance whether it be a state of an emergency or not, it all boils down to your ethical right as a human being to make an informed decision and your right to respect for persons.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  46. Brian

    I don't know if a mandatory flu shot should be imposed on hospital workers, but if not they should be able to fire people that won't get it. Many people have severe susceptibility to serious conditions if they should come in contact with even a simple cold. If the employees are exposing the hospital's clientele to serious harm or death, then the hospital should have the right to get rid of them. If you went into a restaraunt and one of the employees was rude and abusive, or worse, you'd expect the manager to fire them. Likewise if an employee in a hospital is exposing the patients, and lets be honest, they're much much more likely to be exposed to the disease , then they should be fired too.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  47. Jenn from Marlborough

    OF course it should not be mandatory. It they do allow this law to pass, the government will have the right to inject us with anything they want to experiment with, because that's what this is, an experiment.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  48. WIll

    I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Of course health care workers should be required to have the flu shot. How are they supposed to do their job and keep us healthy if they have the virus. I don't see why they wouldn't want it. The woman suing the state of NY needs to think about about a new career if she doesn't want to have the shot. She could get the virus after the first patient she comes in contact with and could spread it to every other patient she comes in contact with.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  49. Julianne Still Thrift

    Health care professionals have a moral and a legal responsibility to make their patients healthier, not sicker. Because many who die from H1N1 have underlying illnesses, people who come to hospitals and doctors' offices seeking help are at risk of serious illness and death if they are forced to come in contact with health care professionals who may have H1N1 or be carriers of the flu. Health care professionals who think it is their RIGHT to endanger their patients have no place in our health care system. I hope that NY State will persist in supporting patients' rights to safe care. I am deeply disappointed that an Association of Nurses would be persuaded to support the few nurses who care more about their personal political agenda than about their patients.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  50. jim from ny

    lets move all the state workers and lawmakers to the front of the line.this should help to convince the healthcare workers that it's safe

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  51. Keller

    No, the H1N1 vaccine, nor any vaccine for that matter, should not be mandatory for health care workers or anyone else. Forced vaccinations are a direct assault on the foundation of freedom. We need more people with the courage to stand up and speak out.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  52. Kevin

    Anyone who's ever served in the military has been subjected to mandatory vaccinations to ensure all troops are protected when traveling into conditions that could pose a health threat; hospitals are "hot spots" for sickness and disease and it is the responsibility of hospital officials to mandate what is necessary to protect those within their care. Yes, I believe flu vaccinations should be mandatory for health care workers.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  53. Michelle

    I don't think that anyone should get the H1N1 vaccine , because there isn't enough information about this swine flu , but they hurried up and made this vaccine so where did this swine flu come from really????????

    October 15, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  54. Juan Batista

    America is loosing it, madness and crazyness is replacing reason, Americans don't even want to protect themselves, That is hard to understand, Yes the Vaccine should be mandatory.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  55. Shelia Heck

    Did the government say that we need to get our childhood vaccines befor we can start school? Isn't that kinda the same thing. I work in a large retail company and the company offered to the employees free flu shots. Many were in line to get the shot. I feel that it allow be to work with a better peice of mind that I am not going to bring it home to my family or catch it myself and be out of work. Would be really bad right now to be out of work due to a flu of any kind or worse.

    This shot isn't just for you it is also for all those that you come in touch with also. I don't want to think that a child passed away becuase I infected them with the flu or H1N1.

    Any one that works in the public with over 50 employees should have to get the shot as long as there is no health issues keeping them from getting them.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  56. Wilfried Koehler

    Should healthcare employees be forced to obtain the shot? Absolutely yes!!! The nurse, who was on your show this morning, states she is taking care of herself; unless she has an illness in regards to her weight, she obviously is NOT.
    Having a choice, I would not want to be treated by anyone who did not have the shot.
    It is a precautionary measure, not a torture. Get over it.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  57. Caleb

    I agree that health care workers should be mandated to receive the H1N1 and seasonal flu shot. Health care workers have an increased possibility in contracting any disease more than most, due to the nature of the job. If health care workers did not receive the vaccines, I feel it would be contributing to the spread of the H1N1 flu. As long as the employer of any company feels that their employees need to receive the vaccination, than they are required to get it. If health care workers feel they should not be required to be vaccinated then simply quit.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  58. Debbie Riley

    Dear Heidi,

    I heard of this case a few days ago and thought that flu shots should be mandatory for health care workers, we owe it to the population we serve to do everything possible to keep them safe, however I feel that if a health care worker chooses not to comply, loss of your job is too steep a penalty, perhaps mandatory LOA until this years flu season passes. I am a registered nurse and feel vaccines get a bad rap much of the time,
    Debbie, RN
    Salt Lake City

    October 15, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  59. Alissa C

    I don't feel that healthcare workers should be the guinea pigs for this vaccine. They claim it is because they don't want their workers to miss work due to being sick from H1N1. If this is to continue what is to stop them from making their female employees be mandated to be put on the depo shot to stop maternity leave. They also don't know enough about it to force us. There could be lasting effects or possible deaths. Not really sure or comfortable with my state telling me I have to have something in my body that hasn't even been tested throughly. My mom is an RN and I hope those nurses win their case.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  60. Patricia Hilty

    I think it should be mandatory for Health Care Providers to have both flu shots. They may feel it violates their rights, however, does it not violate our rights when they infect us? Some people, like myself, are very susceptible to illness because of treatments we are on for illnesses. They could protect a lot more people by having the vaccines.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  61. Nathan

    As a healthcare worker, I strongly object to "mandatory vaccines". If the standards of "universal precautions", including the use of gloves, masks and proper handwashing techniques are properly applied, there should be no more risk from H1N1 than the regular flu, HIV, Hepatitis, TB, or any other pathogen that we come in contact with on a regular basis. Furthermore, the H1N1 vaccine has been hastily produced, with minimal testing. How can anyone justify a "mandatory vaccine" when they do not even know what the potential side effects are?

    October 15, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  62. Noel

    Heidi, this mandate is absurd. It is a "clear and present danger" with respect to our dilapidated Constitution... to those whom are paying attention; this re_constitution of our rights and/lack thereof, is clearly reminiscent to Adolf Hitlers, policies and subtle maneuvers which claimed millions of lives and the complete collapse of a government... we should remain vigilant, not to be duped out of our fundamental Rights, established and founded on the blood and principles of the true architects of our once great nation...

    October 15, 2009 at 9:29 am |
  63. Jonathan Jones

    From what I understand the effectiveness of any flu vaccine is doubtful at best. Mandatory immunization as with any physical invasion is a policy we don't want to embrace. What's next? Mandatory abortions?

    October 15, 2009 at 9:29 am |
  64. Jordan Gmach

    I have worked in the nuclear industry all of my life. It was a requirement to have a urine test both periodicly and randomly. I, or no one else I knew, ever objected to that because we knew that it was for operational safety. Safety of the public. If we declined to do the test, which was our option, we needed to find a job somewhere else.
    It seems the nurses consideration of injection or not is also for public safety and if they oppose the injection may be they are in the wrong occupation.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:29 am |
  65. claude

    Yes, The health care workers should have the shot. these people are in contact with everyone, not just at work every where. And what kind of person is willing to stick another person but not have the same shot.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |
  66. rose

    as a nurse myself the answer is a no the goverment should not have the right to mandate nurses to get anything if they are starting to mandate nurses why not mandate all the doctors and all the patients that walk in to the hospital

    October 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |
  67. Pru Reardon

    No!! Like everyone else, they alone decide what they should or shouldn't put into their bodies. If this becomes mandatory, then where do we draw the line? I'm glad there are some nurses fighting this, they have my support. Less government is best.

    Pru Reardon
    Texas A&M University, '09
    Houston, Texas

    October 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |
  68. mike creighton

    You Betcha,When health officials deny self treatments that are in the publics best interest? I would question the health institution i was in,and simply ask them if this was broward general hospital w/the saline bag issue,or just another reckless nurse,giving a bad rap for all of those wonderful nurses out there that (which by far out wiegh,the thoughtless nurses) Maybe it is another(short -cut administration problem???

    October 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |
  69. Michael

    No, government has no right to impose mandatory requirements where health is concerned. Gulf war syndrome shows us that government is not competent when it comes to vaccines no matter how well intentioned. This is not an issue about patient expectations; this is an issue about whether or not the government should be allowed to force the people into taking potentially harmful drugs. This risk must remain with the individual.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:31 am |
  70. Shawn

    No, The government should not have the right to mandate any form of medical care. Specifically a flu virus vaccine which can and does cause certain people to become severely ill. I know this is a true concern because I personally wind up in bed for two weeks if I get a flu vaccine. We have a government that claims a woman has the right to end the life of another based on the grounds that she should have control over her 'own body' yet we aren't allowed to make decisions about our own state of health.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:31 am |
  71. Bernadette Loesch

    Don't nurses and doctors take an oath which states in part, 'do no harm'? As a senior citizen with a compromised immune system should I be exposed to a health care worker who refused to be immunized because of a principal about what she should do with her body? NOT! She is in the health field to care for and to protect people against the ravages of disease and illness. She needs to find another profession.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:32 am |
  72. Chase


    The H1N1 vaccine should absolutely be mandatory for health care workers. I am a physician assistant who interacts with critically ill patients on a daily basis, patients who could very easily die should they contract H1N1 from me. The argument being made by the nurse in New York fails to address the fact that, as a health care worker, she is already required to be vaccinated for a list of illnesses, and the H1N1 vaccine is nothing more than the newest addition to that list of required vaccinations. No vaccination is without risk, but contracting the flu while already sick is a preventable situation – health care workers should be held to a higher standard, to ensure we protect the patients we care for.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:32 am |
  73. Cynthia F.

    Dear Heidi:

    I feel that all health care workers as well as all companies that deal directly with the public should be vaccinated. Just as each and every individual should have both vaccines. If they do not wish to comply with these rules, I sure there are many unemployed, well qualified people very willing to have both vaccines just to get a job. Because individuals don't care about themselves, they should have some compassion for others, especially those who cannot afford to get these vaccines.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:32 am |
  74. Angel

    I am reading more comments and I am worried that most of the comments defend the right to decide if the health care employees to choose but as a patient shouldn't I choose what nurse should be around me for my own safety?

    It is stupid to turn this into a political issue when we are talking about lifes. Please...! Wake UP America! Mothers, think of the safety of your loved ones!!! It is A PANDEMIC ALERT!!!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:32 am |
  75. John LaClair

    This is just one more step in this country's journey from democracy into socialism. The government has no right, under any circumstance, to tell any indivdual what they have to inject into their body! This should be a matter of personal choice, not a mandate of a basicly untested vacine.With no clinical trials this may end up killing more people than it helps.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:33 am |
  76. Peggy Meenan

    As a nurse practicing in NYC for the past 24 years I oppose the flu and H1N1 vaccine mandate. There is no emergency outbreak of either flu in the city so why are we forced to get vaccinated against an outbreak that may never happen? Secondly, there are many flu viruses; we have been vaccinated against one- a calculated guess of which one is coming- which is ludicrous.
    As nurses we place our health at risk daily through exposure to Hepatitis, Tuberculosis, Leprosy, MRSA, C-Diff, and HIV to name a few. A better approach would be to enforce strict mask wearing while engaged in patient contact. The same strict hand washing and universal precautions policies in effect for contact with other far more lethal contagious diseases.
    The New York State Health Commissioner, Richard Daines is attempting to protect his reputation and position at the cost of thousands of health care workers lives. Shame on you Dr Daines!!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:33 am |
  77. NYC Gerard

    These health care workers reliance on 30+ year old vaccine studies makes me wonder if the care they provide is that out-of-date, too. There have been 30+ years of medical advances, and wasn't there a safety study for the H1N1 vaccine just this summer?

    The writers above worried about government intrusion are forgetting that there is a very narrow scope here. We're talking about health care workers who are in short supply already, so we cannot afford for them to get sick when the rest of us might be, plus, we cannot afford to have them spread the disease, as we have too many hospital-borne illnesses already.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:34 am |
  78. Lawrence kelly

    As fire chief,I do not think it should be mandatory
    for medical,fire any any other organization.We
    live in a free world and the government is
    already telling us what to do.
    As a Christian the leaders need to pray for GODS
    guidance in any circumstance.

    May GOD bless and be with us.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:34 am |
  79. James

    Does "health care worker" mean doctors, nurses, aides, janitors, and anyone else that may come into the hospital?

    Even if it does, I'm not sure that it's really protecting the patients. As I understand it, vaccines help your body generate resistance to the virus, but it doesn't stop the virus. A vaccinated person could still transmit the virus.

    Given that, a potential civil rights violation is not warranted.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:35 am |
  80. McLin Choate

    Vaccination should be required for all health workers without question. I would not want to go to a hospital that did not. Just think of waiting for or undergoing a major ooperationn and some of the workers have the flu. MC

    October 15, 2009 at 9:35 am |
  81. Donna

    Influenza is extremely contagious. A person can become ill 1-4 days after exposure. More importantly, a person may infect others after being exposed to influenza 1 DAY before becoming sick up to 5-7 days after (ref. Ctr for Disease Cntrl). Thus, the issue arrises when a healthcare worker is exposed to the flu, does not know they are ill, and then exposes someone or multiple others to the flue; if the subsequent patients being exposed have exhisting health issues the flu could actually be worse or even cause death. This should be common knowledge to a health care provider; immunizing providers minimizes this risk to patients who have the right to expect they are entering a "safe" environment to to be treated. By choosing to go into the health care industry, contamination must be understood and controlled. Do the health care providers objecting to immunizations also object to wearing latex gloves and precautions taken in treating AIDS patients? Same principle: contamination prevention.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:37 am |
  82. Megan Calardo

    Dear Heidi,

    I am a Registered Nurse in New york state. I am absolutely against mandatory Flu vaccinations, both seasonal and H1N1. The choice to take the flu vaccine, should always be that of the individual. I can not administer a medication without a patients consent, and they always have the right to refuse. I deserve and expect the same choice.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:39 am |
  83. milagros cabuhat

    What are they going to mandate us next?I'm a nurse who's been working in the hospital for over 20 yrs.A lot of my co workers take the flu vaccine every year yet still they get sick.At times they're the first ones to get sick.With or without the vaccine almost all of us get sick every year.So maybe this year it's the H1N1 virus.As long as you're healthy you'll get over it just like the previous infections.NY state should emphasize more on stress prevention and healthy living then maybe they can save more money.Think obesity and so on.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:39 am |
  84. M. Sikorski

    Absolutely not! I have worked in heathcare for 9+ years, never once have I recieved a flu/swine/H1N1 shot. I believe that it should be recommended, however it should be up to that individual if he/she wants it, not the governments nor the hospitals.

    It is our choice, don't take that away!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:39 am |
  85. Peter Hobbs

    No. The government has no right to enforce the injection of any substance into someone. The whole patient safety arguement is bunk, essentially a well-meaning decoy. Our government used to run exercises sending soldiers into ground zero during nuclear testing, and society was more into preserving life then than it is now. Tell everyone exactly what ingredients are in the vaccine, and we'll decide if we want it in our bodies. You have to explain the science of what's being given out. Don't neglect the people's right to know and then decide.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:40 am |
  86. ray berg

    its sad that you show in the vidio a person ving a flu shot when the worker has open sores on her finger . i think i would pass on any shot from this worker.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:40 am |
  87. Alex Edwards

    It should not be mandatory unless these Health Care Workers are putting others at risk in which case they are not.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |
  88. Rick Eubank Licensed Paramedic

    I support the nurse who refused the the shot, this should be her choice , I have been a paramedic for 14 years and the flu shot offered to our paramedics is optional.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |
  89. Chris Dunn

    There are many things that health professionals are required to wear and do to protect themselves and the people they come in contact with. This is just one more step in protection again. If the companies said; "We have a flu shot but it is going to cost you one hundred dollars per person." everyone would complain about the cost, but would get in line knowing the shot is to help them.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |
  90. corey

    No it should not be required
    1 its a theory that just does not work its great to say take a pill and your immune forever but in reality it does not besides the side effects from the binders and preservitives aluminum formaldyhde mercury( in the form of thermasol or thermarisal) why do they lie about no mercury? As a kid my mom whould say dont play with the liquid metal
    its poison and will absorb through the skin. I called the cdc center of dx control in atlanta ga. and asked of the people who got measles that year were they all vacinated and I got 48.2 % were and 51.8%had no vacine. So much for immunity.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:45 am |
  91. Bill S.

    I am confused as I'm am sure some Americans are with the H1N1 scare. I have read numerous reports from the CDC and the World Health Organization and the numbers don't seem to add up. The average yearly deaths from the common Flu are reported somewhere in the 150,000 to 300,000 world wide. Comparatively, H1N1 has not shown to be as infectous; with world wide death at about 4,500, so forcing individuals to be vaccinated seems odd.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:47 am |
  92. April

    I object to being told to put these kind of chemicals into my body, especially when there are some concerns over the thoroughness of testing (H1N1). I am an agency RN in California and work at several different hospitals. I am being told that I will not be allowed to work at a UC facility without taking both flu shots this year. I have medical exemptions and a letter from my doctor saying so, but because I am temporary staff, the facility does not recognize the exemption. Their own employees, will be allowed exemptions if they have a medical or religious reasons. There are many more nurses in the same position that I am in. There is suspicion that other hospitals in the area will follow suit and therefore, I will be out of work – in a time of nursing shortage!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:48 am |
  93. Chris


    There are several concerns here, and they are shared by many. First is the obvious right we as health care workers to protect our own bodies and prevent exposure to harmful and dangerous substances. Certainly we all as health care workers work diligently not to have accidental injections or punctures. We, who have worked very hard for our credentials and who work feverishly (no pun intended) to provide outstanding and cutting edge care for those in need daily, are now being told that we have to accept this EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE into our bodies and see what happens. The Director of the NYS DOH said it himself, he wants to inject us with this vaccine and see how it goes. That is entirely unacceptable. We do not know nearly enough about this vaccine to see how it works over time. Now they want us, the health care workers to be injected, as well as children and the elderly; the most vulnerable.

    Were lessons not learned from the disaster of the failed policies of the Bush administration that you cannot just ram something into people's lives. People are not dying left and right from the swine flu, in fact those who were without previous compromise, are getting over the flu. One man should not have the right to both tell us we have to be injected with a foreign, experimental sollution, and if not, we lose everything we have worked for. That is outrageous and I wonder if it borders on criminal. If we had a true national emergency, it may be a different story; but that scenario does not exist and this madman in the Director's position needs to be stopped.

    What if the vaccine is no good, or severely impacts heatlh care workers in negative way? What happens if we, the NYS health care workers begin dropping like flies? Who takes care of us? Our employers? No, because they will pawn it off to the state. The State? They will recuse authority back to the employer. When we get sick, we then have to use our sick time and lose our pay, over something the State said we had to be infected with. This was beyond poor planning, and someone's ego needs a serious check!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:50 am |
  94. Susan in St.Louis

    NO WAY!!!!!!
    As an RN I go to various hospitals and screen patients for our rehabilitation hospital. In 2 years I have brought 3 patients diagnosed with Gullian Barre after their flu vaccine and are now debilitated to a quadraplegic level. The risks/side effects are for real! After seeing these patients and the devistation to the family, I will never get the vaccine, nor allow anyone I love to get the vaccine. Not worth the risk.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:50 am |
  95. judy

    Don't require it BUT do require health care workers to wear a badge stating whether or not they have had the shot. Then I can decide if i want to get near them or not. Also, where they work should have a sign outside of the building that tells whether or not all workers have had the shot. If some have refused, it should be a big warning sign, and identify the area in which they work.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:50 am |
  96. Jan

    I don't get it. The first time the H1N1 Virus came in to play, people panicked and almost set up house in hospitals across the world. Now that there is a vaccine available, we suddenly have people who want to whine about a little mandatory requirement. I can just imagine what the heated debate will be on this one. First, President Obama will be blamed for the mandate, even though healthcare reform is a long way from being approved. Since Americans are so hard to please, why not send all of the H1N1 vaccine to a country where it will be appreciated and used. Had the vaccine not been developed Americans would be marching up to Washington with degrading picket signs of President Obama not doing his job to to provide a vaccine for Americans. Time out Americans. You cannot have it both ways.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:55 am |
  97. John H. Tilyard

    Should construction workers be required to wear hard hats? Of course!! If you don't want to wear the protective gear, find another job!

    October 15, 2009 at 9:56 am |
  98. Jack Graham

    Absolutely – the law should require nurses to be vaccinated. The chance of transmiting a disease or virus to 1000s of patients is too great. Her personal freedom is over ridden by professional standards. If she don't like it, find another profession. Can you imagine the lawsuits the state of N.Y. would have if just one nurse was infected ? This is not a decision for her make.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:56 am |
  99. toni

    No. It should not be mandatory. When my children were little I researched the pros and cons of vaccination, to decide if I would have them vaccinated. The theory seemed great, introduce the body to weakened versions so it would be able to respond more quickly but the reality is different. When you are normally exposed to antigens, the bodies first line of defence is the musous membranes, the skin and outside tissues. When vaccines are directly inserted into the body the body responds to an emergency situation and acts differently. Smaller less effective anti bodies are produced which will always be associated with that antigen. The benefits do not out weigh the risks. Since we started mandatory vaccinations there has been a rise in conditions of unknown origin such as autism, auto immune conditons, SIDS , IQ's are decliningand others. Because of personal tragedies many organizations have been formed such as the National Vaccine Information Center, and Global Vaccine Awareness League. Many pediatricians suggest immunizations for their patients but will not vaccinate their families. Dr. Oz will take the swine flu vaccine because it is required but will not have his wife of kids vaccinated. It is especially unwise to get a vaccine that was rushed through without substantial testing. The government should not control our bodies.

    October 15, 2009 at 9:59 am |
  100. GLC

    Everyone knows that some nurses are not good with regard to hygiene and transferring different infections. Since I am high risk, the last thing I need is an infected nurse or any health workerp possibly causing me harm. One of them saying "I am sorry" will not do.

    I am sure there is another nurse who meets the requirement, right there waiting to flll the void.

    These complaining nurses are are more concerned about their civil rights than their pedge to do no harm to their patients. Let them become infected, and then, see what they have to say.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:01 am |
  101. Calvin R. Harrington

    In my opinion we should all have the right to choose weather or not to take a medication prescribed for a medical condition. However, if one is employed in health care, you are not the sole reciepient of your decisions and opinions. The patients you care for deserve to have the assurance that health care workers did their best to conform with overwhelming medical opinion to help arrest the H1N1 virus, and do their part to help stop this potentualy fatal virus. Those who object to this assurance to patients have no business being in health care.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:13 am |
  102. Bill

    If it's ok to have manditory vaccinations for acceptance into school, then it's ok for a condition of employement.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:19 am |
  103. James Sinko

    Government does not have ultimate power to tell people to put something in their body. I am a college student at LSC in Vermont. I am not getting the vaccine this year because of the same reason. This vaccine was rushed in to production and the Government cannot tell me what to do!!! How do we know it is safe???

    October 15, 2009 at 10:21 am |
  104. Michelle Ron (RN)

    It is crazy to make the H1N1 vaccine mandatory for health workers in New York .I've never had any flu vaccine and don't intend to have this one and I've never been sick for the past seven years.This is ridiculous.I'm not having this vaccine and my kids are not having it period.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:21 am |
  105. Bill

    Health care employment is a priveledge not a right. If you don't like the rules then get out of the biz.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:22 am |
  106. Jesse

    A mandatory vaccination that is not only completely unproven to be effective, but found to be unsafe. A syringe full of health destroying chemicals including the immune adjuvant squalene, and not to forget Good old Thimerosal Mercury.

    Of COURSE the government should be allowed to make it mandatory for us to main-line poisons with no health benefits into our body. Sure, this swine flu scare is going to make BILLIONS for big pharmaceutical companies and upstanding individuals like Donald Rumsfeld, but we shouldn't concern ourselves with that.

    Sure, you do have a higher likelihood of drowning in your bathtub, than of dying of Swine flu, but who cares? that's a trivial fact. The government is always going to look out for you. We should all just turn our brains off and do whatever the big government and mainstream media say. they'd never, ever stear us wrong right? Just like they helped us all in 1973 during the last swine flu scare...sure, more people died from the actual vaccine than the illness, but dont think about that. Just trust your government. Don't think. Stay asleep.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:23 am |
  107. Dave Hancock


    Doing everything possible to keep patients safe is their job and should be a condition of employment. They have no inharent "right" to any particular job.

    Sure, it is the nurses "right" to control what goes in their bodies, but it is not their "right" to expose their patients to H1N1.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:23 am |
  108. Amy

    what really has me turned off tho is that pharm companies have indemnity from being sued if the h1n1 vaccine is faulty. THAT has many scared. "It is just like all flu vaccines" (but in case it isn't you still can't sue us!)? Their legal defense is what scares health care workers

    October 15, 2009 at 10:24 am |
  109. Marshall

    The possibility of negative effects or side effects of immunizations are a fact. There is no guarantee that the medical and pharmaceutical communities know completely, absolutely every single thing there is to know about the vaccine product and/or the recipient's possible response(s) for the remainder of their lives. This is especially worrisome when there is a rush or a deadline in developing any product.

    Unless the recipient is unconscious, injecting anything into our bodies is as personal a choice as there can be. Injections cannot be uninjected if there is a "whoops" that becomes evident at a later date.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:24 am |
  110. Willie

    Dear Heidi,
    I would like to congratulate the NY Nurses Association for making a social stand on the issue of mandatory vaccination. They are fulfilling their roles as nurses in the sociocultural context of their profession. It is about time that the hegemonic view that nurses are passive be demystified! The public should know that by virtue of the"nursing discipline", the nurses are empowered to think, reflect, make judgments, decide, and take action, not more for themselves, but for you, the public that they serve. The public should listen to these nurses. Maybe you would learn something about their "caring spirit"! Go nurses!

    October 15, 2009 at 10:27 am |
  111. Linzekahmil

    Yes, I do believe that healthcare providers should get the H1N1 vaccinne for the simple fact that they are the people working in the industry related to health so they should be one of the healthest people in america. They are all around the many diseases and virsuses that are affecting us so they should be the one preventing themselves and then spreating the word to prevetn others. Why work with infected people and then be infected too? Many no sense to me. If Im going to have a nurse I want her to be honestly open about get vaccined becasue she can potentuially infect a patient because they dont have the vaccine. Nurses and doctors are constantly around sick people and they could and may get sick from the patients so just getting a simple vaccine would reduce their chances of getting sick and showing American that they are with the cause of a healthy America.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:31 am |
  112. Tania

    Yes. It is a must have and if they do not get it then they should not come to work. Because of their daily intractions, nurses probably build a good imunity system to most flu like viruses but they can easily transfer these viruses to a sick person with a weak immune system. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SEEN BY A NURSE WHO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT MY I want to know what do they know about this vaccine that makes it so scary for them. May be they should come out with some evidence of why it is so bad to take it?

    October 15, 2009 at 10:31 am |
  113. Bruce

    I understand the feelings of the health care givers not wishing to be forced to take flu shots. This is rooted in our childhood when we wish to be our own man or woman. But this issue goes beyond the childish issues and concerns the health of the people the care givers are supposed to be protecting.
    Therefore they should receive the shots to hopefully protect themselves and their patients from the flu. But this is America so they cannot be forced to do that which they do not want to do even though it defies logic unless it is a law.
    We are forced by law to wear seatbelts while in a moving car. Would these same care givers not want to follow that law? Most likely not as they are not stupid and yet the seatbelt law only protects them! This injection will protect others as well.
    But if in the end they still refuse to get flu shots then they must sign a waiver and agree to pay for any medical expenses as a result of their actions. If the people they treat get the flu within a short period of time after that treatment they must pay for all expenses related to that disease.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:33 am |
  114. Nononsense

    If the nurses do not want to follow the rules, then the authority should let them stay home WITHOUT PAY, until the Swine flu is over , meanwhile hire someone else to replace them

    If they disagree, then thousands of unemployed people would be glad to take over their jobs.... At this hard time, count your blessings when you still have a job! Stop wasting people time and money and DO your job, period!

    When you accepted to work in a hospital, to take care of sick people, then you should be smart enough to stay away from any sickness before patients contacted your didease...

    It's only a small number of selfish individuals!
    Send your resume, anyone?

    October 15, 2009 at 10:35 am |
  115. Mike - UpState NY

    I have been in Health care for over 30 years and as Healthcare professionals we should be setting the bar for the public! I never had Hepatitis, but I have been inoculated so I don't contract it and spread it to others in my care! This nurse, who is suing because her state has mandated the Flu vaccine, stated that she feels as a nurse she should be in control of her body (when it comes to inoculations)... Well that is just absurd, as a healthcare professional she is jeopardizing the people around her and we as healthcare professionals owe it to the public to buffer them from this virus! She is from Upstate NY right? Well, in mid Sept. at Cornell University there were over 600 cases of the flu and one death! Is she suing to not have the inoculation and to keep her job or is she suing for a monetary settlement? I feel she is being ignorant to the health of everyone around her!

    October 15, 2009 at 10:38 am |
  116. Just a thought

    Heidi-The government should not force anyone to take any vaccine or drug that they do not want to take. It is scary to think that anyone could be denied employment for not allowing someone to inject them with a vaccine that has not been throughly tested for the indication for which it is being used (it is my understanding that human subjects research has not been throughly tested specifically on H1N1-I work in this field and was told this little fact). Tell me does this quote ring a bell? "so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark". Well denying somone employment will certainly affect their ability to purchase items or sell their skills. ......

    October 15, 2009 at 10:53 am |
  117. Paul

    Since the flue shot is settled science, health care workers need to follow requirements that would protect patients. If they have theories outside of the scientifically accepted ones, they need to find another career.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:55 am |
  118. RANDY

    No i dont think that the H1N1 shot should be Mandatory on any job, it should be the employee's choice whether or not he or she wants the shot.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:55 am |
  119. justin

    I feel that it is important to take precautions they should have a choice to use mask or get the shots patients also need to understand that the goal of every hospital is to remain safe and sanitary but remeber your not there because you are healthy I hope she wins her case

    October 15, 2009 at 10:56 am |
  120. Susan Carson

    No. They should not. It is true they are taking care of others and should do all that is in their power to stay free of illnesses, but they still have their own constitutional rights just as everyone else does.
    It is unfair to make someone put foreign substances into their bodies or lose their jobs! This has nothing to do with job performance!

    October 15, 2009 at 10:56 am |
  121. June gentle

    The H1N1 vaccine is very harmful containing substances such as thiomersal a mercury compound. Vaccines have had this harmful substance since 1989. This should be a personal choose. Its just a flu not a death sentence.
    Thank you
    June Gentle

    October 15, 2009 at 10:57 am |
  122. lisa witzel

    As a retired nurse I think is is prudent for health care workers to get the h1n1 accination. The state of new york is looking ahead ahead by anticipating a possible flue edpidemic. If nurses get sick who will take care off all the influx of patients? If you are a nurse and dont want to participate in a health care initiative, then quit. Otherwise get the vaccination and shut your mouth instead of stirring up aggitation.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:57 am |
  123. Teriss

    The government forcing people to give vaccines or take them, are we back to the Nazism regime again? This Pig vaccine is not safe or even tested, and she is right. I would do the same refuse to infect anyone else with this live virus and the chemicals which will damage your immune system. This is a lethal dose of untested adjuvants such as squalene and the tests are only for 21 days. What happens after the 21 days will shock kyou. The ingrients will set a person on the road to an auto-immune system which drug company's don't believe you have- well mine works just fine.
    Also the ingredients are made in China and there is a latex and /or silicone allergic reaction. You can look forward to a whole host of health problems if you take this toxic vaccine. Good luck.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:58 am |
  124. Tracie Wallace

    What if the workers think that the shot could make them more pron to getting sick then keeping them from getting sick? I that really fair if they don't want the shout to make them?

    October 15, 2009 at 10:58 am |
  125. Lindsay

    First of all "first do no harm" is part of the Hippocratic oath that doctors take not nurses. And for those that think nurses are selfish for not getting the vaccine are ridiculous. Being a nurse by defintion puts us at risk for all kinds of infectious diseases every day, but we care about our patients and take good care of them so please do not call us selfish.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:58 am |
  126. Elaine

    I am a Registered Nurse in Pennsylvania and I willl lose my job before I would allow ANYONE to force me to get something I do not want. Its not bad`enough Nurses and Health care workers are treated wih no respect in the hospitals , now the state governments will try to force you to do something with YOUR body ?????
    I DARE them to even TRY to mandate The Teachers Union to get Flu shots ....and they work also with High Risk Age groups !!!!The union would have them in the Supreme Court!!
    The problem with this country is some professions health care workers are treated like crap and others like Teachers and State workers are treated like Royalty!

    October 15, 2009 at 10:59 am |
  127. Charlie

    In my opinion getting vaccinated as any employee who deals with the public in ANY field of work is a MORAL obligation. I do not believe the state or government should force a person to receive any foreign body through a manditory injection, it is a civil rights violation and I'm sure an amendment violation to boot. Whats next, tracking chips and barcode tattoo's??

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress!!

    October 15, 2009 at 10:59 am |
  128. Joe

    Good morning, health care workers should receive the required shots and follow required procedures of their job (washing hands, etc.). You would not be allowed to travel to another country (or attend school)without the required shots and vaccinations would you? It is not an issue of the government taking over our bodies. As a health care worker or other professional, you can't in an arbitrary fashion decide what you want to do or not do, if it is a prerequisite of that profession.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |
  129. Fran

    Requiring vaccinations is a great way to INCREASE THE NURSING SHORTAGE....There are those who won't go into a profession that might be FORCED by the government or even their workplaces to be immunized..... I wouldn't go into nursing if I knew I HAD to be.....

    October 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |
  130. Michael Flanagan

    I am a Nurse in a Hospital and most likely will get the regular flu shot, but I do not trust the H1N1 or the govenment who is letting pharmacitical companies and doctors have a wavier if anyhting goes wrong with this rush to market untested vaccine. Also I think it insane that in America I am being forced to do somthing against my will with threat of being terminated. Just think of what would occour if the govenment forced welfare recipients to get this shot, the ACLU would be up in arms against it. Hey ACLU where are you to protect the health care workers rights? Whats next, health care workers are going to have to disclosed their private medical records to get a job?

    October 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |
  131. Shawn

    I have read the comments on this question, and would like to respond to several of the arguments for this requirement. First, as a US veteran, I am familiar with the military requirement of immunizations, and feel that the military is a very different scenario, first of all, they all know when they swear in that they are subject to additional law under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. The civilian community is not and should not fall under the same requirement. Also, There has been no indication that our health care workers are being diagnosed with a larger infection rate, and thereby no basis for such a requirement. In fact history would show that health care workers as a whole tend to have a stronger immune system due to the long term exposure to illness.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |
  132. Adam Caper

    Nobody should be FORCED to be vaccinated, but by the same token, nobody has a RIGHT to any particular job. We generally consider it an eminently reasonable condition of employment that people take precautions to safeguard themselves and others against tangible threats. People who prepare food are required to wash their hands and take other sanitary precautions; I see no difference in this situation.

    Personally, I think this woman is demonstrating herself to be unqualified to be in the medical profession. After all, if she is so skeptical about the value of medical technology, how can she be relied upon to responsibly deliver medical services to others? Does she act against her conscience every day when she inoculates others? Or does she follow her conscience and undermine physician's orders? There's obviously a poor fit, and that's quite troubling.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |
  133. Richard Andreason

    Yes, most definitely. We expect first of all that our medical professionals will not be the source of harm.
    Do all you can do to encourage the correct behavior in the face of a potential flu pandemic, or just the correct behavior in the face of the normal flu.
    We expect the medical community to lead in the face of adversity, not be the ones looking for any out available, do as i say not as i do.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:01 am |
  134. Jan

    Did NYS honestly demand that doctors have this vaccine and, if not, they would be terminated from the hospital? What about the housekeeping staff that cleans each room? Dietary staff that brings food to each patient? PT, OT, Respiratory, XRay,? So what about ancillary staff that has contact with the patients ... or do they plan to have the nurses do these jobs as well during flu season?

    October 15, 2009 at 11:02 am |
  135. Bev A.

    I believe that all health workers should have the shot. And it is only fair to say no if you don't want it. But you should not be able to work if you refuse the shot.
    They are there to help and care for the patients. As well as patients should also be aware of the flu and protect out health care workers. This is a two way street.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:03 am |
  136. Michael Flanagan

    I read on here that were being selfish, hey its my body and I can do with what I please or not do what I please, if its a womans right over her own body when it comes to abortion than why is it not a humans right to choose if they get this untested and non accountable vaccine??

    October 15, 2009 at 11:05 am |
  137. Alicia

    If a patient is concerned about influenza, they should get vaccinated. Their body is their responsibility. Where will the line be drawn as far as what these health care workers will have the government do to THEIR bodies. The patients can get influenza from their family, friends, the waiting room. The vaccine is nothing comparable to washing hands. An injection is putting something in your body. This is an individual! They are the ones that will feel any adverse reaction. How unfair to take someones choice away about what they will have done to their bodies! Where will this stop!

    October 15, 2009 at 11:08 am |
  138. Alicia

    I had the H1N1 and it was like any other flu. I was better in 2 days, my daughter has asthma and it took a little longer. We took care of ourselves. If I wanted to protect myself I would have gotten the vaccine. I am responsible for myself. This is once again pushing the responsibility off on someone else. This h1N1 is once again making a mountain out of a mole hill. Yes its serious but for goodness sake stop shucking your responsibilities for your own bodies onto someone else.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:12 am |
  139. Jodi RN

    I am an RN in Tn. We have been told that if we do not take the vaccines that we will have to wear masks for months while caring for patients. I don't believe that nurses or doctors should be forced to take these shots. It is bad enough that you can not send your child to school if they do not take the multitudes of vaccines that are forced on our children.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:14 am |
  140. Susan

    A recent study showed a 60% decline in ICU deaths when medical workers were vaccinated against the flu. Many sick people including organ transplant recipients have weakened immune systems. If many doctors and nurses become ill this will create chaos in our health care system. The lives of patients should come first. I got the seasonal flu shot a month ago and will get the H1N1 as soon as it's available.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  141. Charles Whitby RN

    Patients don't have a choice in an emergency as to which hospital the ambulance takes them, they have no choice in which doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers are assigned their care. In this trying time a patient should not have to worry that their healthcare provider is going to make them sicker or give them something they didn't have to begin with. As a nurse myself, I think the RN bringing this case totally has the right to stay home, but does not have the right to claim her freedom of choice is violated while treading on the rights of so many others expecting safe healthcare. Getting this vaccine is on the same level as washing your hands, there's no question, you just do it.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  142. Janet

    I understand the concept of having all health care personnel vaccinated–but then shouldn't all those being admitted to the hospital be vaccinated? We, as patients, pose just as much of a threat. For myself, it's not a virus that concern me in hospitals–it's bacteria. You don't often hear of people dying in hospitals due to contracting a virus –but you do hear of people being infected with Staph infections, MRSA, etc. Give me hand washing anytime!

    October 15, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  143. Hollis Lefever

    Absolutely reqiure H1N1 vaccination for health care workers or ban them from contact with other workers or patients. As a physician I would not permit an unvaccinated nurse to care for my patients when the vaccine is available.

    October 15, 2009 at 11:39 am |
  144. Jodi RN

    I have read many of the comments on the flu virus. I am sad that there is so many that mindlessly believe that a shot or a pill is a fix for everything. Just line us all up and give us the computer chip or the stamp on our foreheads. truth- the vaccine is not specific to the virus. It is just a calculated guess from last years virus. We should not be forced to take anything. Please don't forfeit my rights for government control. If the CDC or government told you to jump off a cliff for your health?............. come on!

    October 15, 2009 at 11:46 am |
  145. Virginia Blakely

    The University of Iowa Hosptial and Clinics are requiring their employees to all be vaccinated during October, or go home without pay. The union is fighting this on behalf of the employees who do not wish to take part, so the U of I has postponed the part about sending people home without pay until it has been settled. The only exceptions are medical excuse from your doctor or documentation on religious reasons.

    October 15, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  146. Tom

    I see there are plenty of nurses advocating for an untested drug on this comment section. Are y'all getting paid for this? You cannot promote a drug/vaccine that is untested. The FDA did that in the 60's with Thalidomide-and what happened was a generation of sick and deformed babies.

    Your willing to promote this unapproved swine vaccine is morally wrong and against the hippocratic oath. Many doctors are not taking this shot, and over 75 percent of the recent Associated Press poll indicates people are not taking it due to the side effects which have not been studied by either the FDA or the drug makers.

    How on earth can you promote such a vile, toxic vaccine made from aborted baby cell lines, diseased monkey cells and mercury. You can have my shot if you want it that bad, but don't force it on those who do not trust the never ending drug recalls that are killing people. Yes Christian value believers will be glad to know this vaccine contains aborted baby cells- that is how they get the human gene to grow the virus.

    Look at their track record -no drug treats a disease only the symptoms. This vaccine is not even proven to prevent swine flu -it gives you the live virus so you can spread it to your family.

    You will all be damaged permanently. Nice Work : FDA and Baxter -laugh all the way to the bank while you make more people sick to sell them more useless drugs.

    October 15, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  147. Debbie Swanson

    I feel Ny has a responsibility to encourage health care workers to get vacinated, but mandating is taking all rights away from us as individuals of a supposedly a free country. We should have the right especially on a drug that has so much controversy about how safe it really is.

    October 15, 2009 at 1:34 pm |
  148. David

    A great discussion on this blog. After all this time though coming to understand H1N1 a virus some people are incredibly vulnerable to, doesn't it make sense for a public health professional who is exposed everyday to take this vaccine so as to help stop the spread of the virus? When we go to the hospital for care, we don't want to get even more sick on top of the reason that we pursued medical care. The idea here is to help stave off a public health emergency with people in hospital bed all over the country.

    Having said that I can't say that the govt has satisfied itself that this vaccination is completely safe. So I think there needs to be flexibility in the mandate so people don't lose their jobs.

    October 15, 2009 at 1:43 pm |
  149. Tara

    I am a nurse in Florida. I hope everyone on here demanding that nurses be vaccinated against the flu plans on taking the flu shot. If you are going to demand that we receive it, you need to receive it as well so we protect ourselves and other patients as well. If not, then you should wear a mask so we protect the other patients. In addition, I don't demand that my patients are vaccinated against hepatitis or meningitis, both of which are preventable. And seriously, people......if you work in health care, you know that there are much more contagious and deadly diseases that patients acquire. MRS, VRE, C-Diff, Hepatitis anyone??? In addition, do you think that you are more susceptible to contract a flu from a health care worker?? Absolutely not! We are washing our hands nonstop. You are more likely to contract the flu from your hairdresser breathing over you...or the dirty grocery cart......or someone sneezing into your food at a restaurant.

    October 15, 2009 at 2:09 pm |
  150. Bill

    No one is being forced to do anything. You have the choice to get a different job if you don't want to comply. Maybe not the choices you'd like to have but never the less it is a choice.

    October 15, 2009 at 2:12 pm |
  151. Oliver Hammond

    Medical Ethics 101: DO NO HARM. It is ridiculous to think anyone involved in the healthcare setting would be so passionate againist vaccinations given that they know the best preventative means is limiting spread of disease. This nurse is a walking "Typhoid Mary" even though she has a point about her civil liberties but she should have thought twice about being a nurse if getting a flu shot is so dramatic to her that she files a lawsuit...or perhaps she's following the new American Dream of sue and get easy money. She should be fired just for being a potential harm to patients and colleagues...this flu was named after her, Swine.

    October 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm |
  152. Oliver Hammond

    Why didn't she make a fuss when she was required to have proof of her MMR Vaccine to practice nursing?....seems like a case of easy fame, money, and useless ranting...send her to FOX News, seems like their type of person.

    October 15, 2009 at 2:21 pm |
  153. Question! Think! Do not BLINDLY follow....

    I am appalled by the comment by John Abromavage/Ruggedcwby, stating health care workers are 'self-abosrbed' for fighting the mandated vaccines.

    If people would bother to read and RESEARCH – people would realize that the FDA did bare minimum testing on these vaccines before distributing them to the public.

    I would suggest do a 'google' on just the ingredients in these vaccines before judging people who do not wish to get them. The ones who are fighting mandated vaccines actually did their RESEARCH on how dangerous these vaccines are!

    Hello?!?! Squalene? Has anyone heard of that?!?! Do a google ! doh! It's an ingredient in the latest H1N1 vaccine and all new vaccines that have been produced. That are numerous other ingredient in them that i would not consider safe.

    I would rather question what my child gets injected with , than assume the FDA is actually watching out for my child's welfare.

    Do you have anyone has any idea how little the FDA regulates nowadays? Does anyone realize how much $$$ the FDA gets from the companies they are supposed to regulate?!?! Hello! Have you heard of 'conflict of interest'??? geez luiz....

    People need to get their head out of their ass and actually start QUESTIONING things FOR A CHANGE.

    All I can say is to the ones who criticize people who do not want them – PLEASE WAIT IN LINE FOR THAT VACCINE!!. 😉

    October 15, 2009 at 2:54 pm |
  154. roystin mallet

    one preliminary study has shown the seasonal flu vaccine raises the risk for getting h1n1, if this is true, what are the possible side effects for the h1n1 vaccine, does it raise the risk of getting the seasonal flu which is generally more deadly? the swine flu may be more wide spread but is generally significantly less deadly. If i were a member of specific group that is more vulnerable to the swine flu; below the age of 30 or over 75, had immune system problems or a history of respiratory problems, or some other underlying condition I certainly would get both flu shots, the seasonal first, then after the appropriate time period,the H1N1. If i were a member or a descendant of a first nations/ aboriginal community as many Mexicans are, as this flu has proven very deadly in those specific communities in Canada, I would not hesitate to get both vaccines. Has the same problem occurred in the u.s. in its First Nations/ Amerindian populations, either way i think this would be news. Why aren't American aboriginal populations being affected in the same way as those in the Canada and Mexico? Or has it simply not been reported in the media? Is the problem in Australia due to its high percentage of aboriginal population in the general population? Asking these questions does not have a racist component, it is a concern for those communities which begs the question. If they are at higher risk the people of these communities deserve to know and it should be reported in the media, failing to inform the public of these issues does smack of racism. There have been no studies of long term use of flu vaccines, which must be thought of in quite a different manner as vaccines of other diseases because flues are so prevalent. We know that the 'over use' of anti-biotics has proven disastrous resulting in deadly strains of bacteria which have no known effective anti-biotic, and are in most major hospitals, with quarantine zones prohibiting access there, which is not widely known except by health care professionals. When the flu shot first came out only a few years ago, it was intended only for the the very old and very sick, and the general population was not even recommended to get it- that still makes sense to me and there is no reasonable argument made for why this policy changed. The best resistance for the general population is to get this new flu which is for most people much milder than the seasonal flu, that is likely due to previous exposure decades ago.' Over use' of flu vaccines like the overuse of antibiotics, seems like a bad idea, and the only people promoting this are those who are financially profiting from it.

    October 15, 2009 at 3:18 pm |
  155. Tara

    Pretty soon, the nurses and physicians are going to leave the healthcare en masse if this continues. Then all the ungrateful jerks on here bashing nurses, physicians, etc. who choose not to vaccinated can wipe each other's own butts when they're incapacitated in the hospital.....because there won't be anyone there to care for them!! And all this "You should have thought about this before you became a nurse.!?! This wasn't a problem when we becamse nurses!! This is the door opening into Obama's health care reform. The flu is STILL easily contracted with a flu vaccine since there are several strains continuously circulating. I have cared for a patient who has died as a secondary complication to the flu vaccine.

    October 15, 2009 at 3:43 pm |
  156. Tara

    For everyone's interest, today was the first day we had to wear masks at work. Physicians or other healthcare providers did not...just nurses who did not receive the flu vaccine (seasonal flu...and this is in Florida). So what occurred today was physicians mocking the nurses who were wearing the masks as they bragged that they had not taken the flu vaccine and were not required to wear a masks. These physicians come in contact with the patients just as regularly, if not more, than the nurses. In addition, the entire work environment today and the days leading up to this policy in effect have been full of division between the health care staff. Instead of people focused on work, it was physicians/nurses opposed to the mandatory vaccine against physicians/nurses for the vaccine. It was a very uncomfortable place to work today. In addition, I had every patient...and several physicians....ask me why I was wearing a mask. I then had to explain that I was wearing a mask because I did not receive the flu vaccine and it was required or I would be fired. In general, most of my patients thought it was ridiculous.

    It blows my mind. The whole thing is just blowing my mind. I am "Typhoid Mary" as a blogger wrote....yet my coworker, who received the flu vaccine, can return to work today, without a mask, after leaving work early yesterday to pick up her sick child. Her daycare called and said her child's temp was so high that they were required by state law to remove the child from the daycare. So now she's been exposed....and it's okay for her to return to work with a possible contagious illness...flu or otherwise, but I am asymptomatic with no exposure and must wear a mask. RIDICULOUS!!

    And for everyone's's not just wear a mask during patient's wear a mask your entire shift!!! So I'm sitting at the nurses' station.......fifteen+ feet from a patient....but I have to wear a mask. But my coworker is leaning all over you her kid's illness. It is ridiculous.

    And JUST for everyone's consumption, the director of the CDC...the top NOT recommending mandatory vaccinations.

    October 15, 2009 at 4:08 pm |
  157. roystin mallet

    its true this swine flu vacine has not been tested, and there are good reasons to believe it is not safe, so should you be gambling the health of your most important healthcare workers, the nurses, if it turns out not to be safe. Isn't this rediculous considering how mild this swine flu- h1n1 tends to be. And why aren't all hospital employees reqired to take the flu shoot or wear a mask, this makes no sense. Also it takes 8- 10 weeks till the flu shot becomes effective, up untill that time you are just a vulnerable if not more so since the vaccine contains the flu itself. Further, having the vaccine doesn't not prevent you from passing it on, it simply prevents you from coming down with serious illness. There is no evidence to show that flu vacines reduce their spread. So this policy towards nurses is even more ridiculous, and potential disasterous- nurses should not be coerced, or brow beaten into getting this flu vaccine and this treatment of nurses is dangerous not only to thier health but to the effectivness of our healthcare institutions- if doctors and others at hospitals are not required to get this flu , then neither should nurses. Doctors and orderlies first, then nurses!

    October 15, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
  158. Lindsey

    Just tell me which hospitals do not require it so I can avoid them.

    October 15, 2009 at 6:54 pm |
  159. Arthur

    I ask you all to take stock of your lives and think outside of Social Mind. You can let it go and get in touch with your real self.

    All of you using the "vaccinations are mandatory for schools, jobs, etc" to say it's OK for everyone to be forced to get them is just wrong. First of all there is no such thing as mandatory vaccinations. Period. They may press hard to control you but they have to give you an out. Or they open themselves to liability.

    If you want a vaccination for a job or school that is up to you. Fear is a powerful tool of those in power. I'm OK with you giving into that fear and running to whatever they want to do to you. Just don't work so hard to force the big business and government view on those who want to think for themselves and not have horrific things done to their bodies. Or we will end up with no choices.

    You will be sorry when the things you personally care about are no longer considered OK. What incentive will they have to consider anyone's opinion?

    As far as health, I know many people who have completely natural immune systems. They seem to be far healthier than those who don't. Doesn't it upset any of you to see the predominance of drug commercials on TV? It is just very strange. No one in my family has taken drugs for decades. My circle of friends either. Maybe an aspirin every 6 or 7 years. It's just not needed, until you slip into that world.

    Yes, health care is needed, it's just WAY out of proportion. You are serving it, it is not serving you. People are not born to be that sick. Or we wouldn't have survived until now.

    The hysteria is being manufactured. The "war on germs" is just the wrong way. Stop the war mentality and look for ways to live in and with the world. Find yourselves and get free. Accepting a world of "Freedoms From" and losing all "Freedoms to". It's a scary sci-fi world we are entering. Consider the value of freedom. And rethink your need for health care. Don't look for alternatives. Look for the truth in your own being.

    Once you get free, your perspective will be so clear, and your old arguments will look pretty silly. You are being controlled – from birth. You are a powerful, creational being. Really. You are not just fuel for managed care and all those other programs. Think about it.

    October 15, 2009 at 10:37 pm |
  160. Raphaël Rivolgo

    H1N1 is the hugest fraude ever! it isn't more dangerous as the "classic" flue.. everyday people die of influenza like people die in car accidents.. all of that is just big farce to restart the economy and make us buy unnecessary vaccines and stupid face masks ..

    October 16, 2009 at 4:23 am |
  161. Teriss

    Response to Tara:

    That is absurd protocol at your hospital Tara. I can imagine how this is pitting people against each other. They should be masking those people who received the H1N1 Shot especially up the nose -because they are now CARRIERS of SWINE FLU.

    After the shot you carry this strain with you everywhere. I know it is against the law for your hospital administrators to discriminate -but that is exactly what they are doing. Apply pressure on people who don't believe drug company's is completely against the law and your own freedoms. Where does this corporate power over government end....don't buy any drugs. That will help.
    This swine flu vaccine has 3 virues, which in normal lifetime you don't get 3 flu's at once. The squalene by itself will give you an auto immune disease.
    In a nutshell- if you want to permanently damage your health -tell others to go take it.
    You are the smart one Tara....and will live to tell your kids about it.
    Others won't have that chance. Keep the faith. Drug company's won't win this one.

    The Swine Flu Vaccine – Kills people.

    October 16, 2009 at 10:47 am |
  162. David

    The health care workers who are mandated to receive the H1N1 vaccine would be like test rats. What is in the vaccine? Are there any risks of contracting some other illness? Will the vaccine interact with any other medicines or foods? What is the track record of the vaciine formulators and manufacturers? Can we really trust the vaccine?

    October 16, 2009 at 11:05 am |
  163. Lindsay, RN BSN

    There is a neurological disease called Guillan Barre's syndrome(look it up, you don't want it trust me!) that can occur after a person a recieves a flu vaccine. This happened back in the 70's when another variety of influenza was going around and flu vaccines were thrown together quickly. There is a small chance of this occuring but it DOES happen. I have taken care of people with this problem and don't EVER want it to happen to me. If I get the flu or have symptoms I will stay home.

    October 16, 2009 at 11:11 am |
  164. Teriss

    Yes Guillan Barre's will paralyze your body, similar to Christopher Reeves' accident. Your right I don't want it and would not give any of this to my fetus. Pregnant women-do not Get this vaccine. The FDA banned any experimental drugs in the 1960's after the Thalidomide babies were born deformed and with no arms or limbs. Thalidomide was also "experimental" and untested. It was invented by a German scientist who thought he would "play around with drugs" and test it out. Do you want to be lab rat? Do you want to be experimented with< then don't get this or any other vaccines. You cannot trust the drug company's they are not claiming to cure " Swine Flu" only to sell the vaccines. There are no tests and no results...why would you risk your own health and become a statistic?

    October 16, 2009 at 11:16 am |
  165. David

    What about people above the age of 65 with health problems?

    October 16, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  166. Lindsay, RN BSN

    Try to find a website where the ingredients in a flu vaccine are listed, you can't. There is a reason why you can't, it's because you don't want that crap in your body!

    For the people who think they are likely to get the flu from their nurse, you are wrong. Nurses wash their hand all day long, my hands are dry as the Sahara from washing so much. You are much more likely to catch it out in public, touching doors, shopping carts, being cramped in office buildings all winter, getting sneezed on at the salon, getting served food at a restaurant etc etc.

    October 16, 2009 at 11:56 am |
  167. Nathan

    I personaly would not take the vaccine, and do not think a health care worker should have to. Further more I do not feel there has been enough testing in a long term sence to even call the vaccine safe. They have been giving our children vaccines now for how long, and we are just figuring out it might have something to do with autism. The regular flue vaccine does not work why take a chance with such new science?

    October 17, 2009 at 12:06 am |
  168. Teriss

    If Obama is at all concerned with rising healthcare costs- he should have thought twice about allowing an experimental drug on the market. What happened to the FTC while they are controlling websites and blogs with new disclosure laws the drug company's are getting away with non-disclosure and unproven claims on this swine flu vaccine that it is "safe". This is the worst manipulation of the facts I have ever seen the US government engaging in deadly vaccines that will make health care costs soar. Bad mistake Obama....pull this garbage off the market before it does any more harm. The peopel that have had this vaccine will be sick for the rest of their days, and you will be paying to take care of them. Sick.

    October 17, 2009 at 8:50 am |
  169. Roscoe

    Thank heaven for the Judge who "Halted" this insanity of a Mandated
    injection. We health care workers expose ourselfs every day to diseases that no vaccines exisits for in an effort to provide care
    and comittment to our patients. It is our duty to protect our patient's rights of refusing any medical treatments, in turn we are being told
    that we health care workers have none? These ignorant statements
    by uneducated people accusing perhaps the most caring and passionate Nurses on earth of being "selfish" or "uncaring" because
    they want the same rights as the patients they treat, is truly a reflection
    of just how ignorant and ungrateful these non-medical voicestruly are.
    I am a Respiratory Therapist and work in unison with RN'S everyday
    with the most critical patients in the hospital. We have familes and loved ones too. We are not ROBOTS. We are not PUBLIC PROPERTY.
    We are Americans that work in the health care field to earn a living and help heal others. At no time did we as health care workers, give up our rights to our own or our familes personal health care. We as health care workers are far more educated than our patients as to what is best for OUR BODY and our educated choice in OUR decision to take or not take the Flu Shot!

    October 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm |
  170. Pat Phillips

    My doctor told me I should get the H1N1 flu shot. I asked him if he was going to get it. He said yes. I asked if he were going to have his five boys and his wife get it. He said yes. He said this flu was very likely to become a pandemic, and that the vacine was safe. I will probably get the vacine when it becomes available in our city. But, I still have the choice, which is what I thought America was all about. To mandate that someone get the shot or lose their job is just unacceptable in America. I don't care if she is a healthcare worker, it is still her mind and body.

    October 17, 2009 at 1:45 pm |
  171. shandra

    What gives anyone the right to tell you what you should put into your body. Healthcare workers save lives. If they are exposed to the virus, how does that stop it from spreading to the patients whether or not they get the vaccine. The makers of the vaccine refuse to take it. If that doesnt scream foul what does?

    October 17, 2009 at 1:49 pm |
  172. Teriss

    I would like to see the research and proof that this vaccine even works because there isn't any proof.

    The drug makers want us to have "blind faith' that this even works!! Ha...with their track record i wouldn't put much faith in their insistence that this swine flu vaccine even works.

    They have not proven it works, and they have not proven it will not give you cancer, which it has enough carciogens in it to -kill a bear.
    Where is the proof?

    Or shall I say "show me how much money" the drug co's are making off of this hoax and fake swine vaccine...its a bunch of garbage and I wouldn't give it to a dog -let alone a human being.

    Where is the proof that it does not damage a fetus? You have to be rolling the dice as a pregnant mother to give this to your unborn fetus it will be very damaging. Be prepared for raising a very sick baby.

    October 17, 2009 at 3:20 pm |
  173. David

    Wow a lot of people protesting the vaccine as something they put in their body on this blog. What about the TB tests that are required for those who work in restaurants and generally in food service, that's something that gets under your skin. It's required. What about vaccinations that are required as a part of travel to another country? It's not unusual for a vaccination to be required. I can understand the point, though, and maybe no one should be forced to receive the vaccine but that does not change the fact that it is recommended.

    October 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm |
  174. Paula

    When you sign up to work in the health industry there is a reasonable obligation to promote good health, not spread disease.
    So, whenever you have the means to avoid passing on a potentially deadly illness, there is a reasonable obligation for you to protect yourself, your family and anyone else that comes in contact with you.

    October 19, 2009 at 11:34 am |
  175. Tom

    When you sign up for the health care industry you do not automatically sign up to be a "guinea pig" for an untested drug. Similarly our soldiers do not sign up for that either but the drug company's are taking more and more freedoms away from americans and now forced vaccine on the majority of the population including your kids.
    Where are your rights going? There is no valid scientific proof that this vaccine will cure anything much less there is no valid scientific proof that it will not destroy the immune system permanently.

    It also contains: what does that cure?

    This vaccine will not protect you from anything to do with the swine flu virus and yet the proof of Vitamin D as an "anti-Viral" is scientifically proven to work.

    What on earth would make you take a carcinogen to prevent a flu bug?

    Come on people....koolaid would be more effective than this untested vaccine. Wake up.

    October 19, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  176. Paula

    Flu vaccine for a wide variety of viral strains has been available for years. How does the H1N1 vaccine differ from the others?
    Is there scientific proof that H1N1 is unsafe?
    Are people concerned because this vaccine was rushed through the system ?

    October 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  177. roystin mallet

    We need to think about this 'swine flu' more carefully and intelligently, and less hysterically- the bottom line ends up being the same, but you should refuse the vaccine for intelligent reasons and educate yourselves along the way, learn the nuances of the issues and think about how the media is trying to push you to do that they want- its the media you have to worry about not the drug companies, its the news papers and the t.v. news that are printing and saying what the drug companies want you to hear, instead of the facts. They started calling it h1n1 instead of swine flu in the news because the ignorance they foster stopped us from buying pork when they were calling it the 'swine flu', Canada's Prime Minister Harper( swine minister as i like to call him, for this very reason), a Bush style neo conservative tried calling it the 'Mexican' for obvious reasons for Canadian and U.S. businesses, take the scare off the pork industry and undermine a competitor nation in this global economy- but people don;t like Bush style politics so much anymore, so much, but the Canadian media think Harper can achieve in Canada What Bush did in the u.s. Bush helped a lot of people make a lot of money while he was bankrupting the u.s. economy. So they didn't mind talking about the bird flu, why was that no technical name there- cause wild birds were scarier than domesticated so no financial set back to terrorizing us with the constant hype about the bird flu! Responding emotionally, crazily- hysterically ( that goes for men as well as women) simply empowers the news agencies and their control over you, think about the facts and assess them in a subtle and complex manner, this is your health not the next top model, American idol or reality t.v. freak show, and potentially your life.This vaccine has a race factor and an age component. The age component, is a strong argument for not getting the vaccine, since exposure to this swine flu more than 30 years ago is making this flu milder to those of us previously exposed, as just about everybody was exposed to it more than 30 years ago whether you actually came down with a serious viral infection or not, you were exposed to it and fought it off before and that's giving you natural immunity which is much superior than a vaccine and with less side effects. That is a very strong argument for not getting this swine flu vaccine and actually hoping to expose yourself to this swine flu, as it is extremely mild to those of European descent , with previous exposure from over 30 years ago.

    October 19, 2009 at 3:26 pm |
  178. David

    The H1N1 vaccine is in the middle of being tested, and as far as adverse reactions are concerned I believe the medical community anticipates that as the H1N1 vaccine is basically a regular flu vaccine but for the H1N1 flu, the adverse reactions will be those that are seen with regular flu vaccines.

    October 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
  179. Tom

    To those that say " the H1N1 Vaccine is the same as the regular Flu vaccine" I say: so why was a completely different vaccine manufactured for swine flu?

    Also, the regular flu vaccine has mercury and now this is admitted finally by drug makers -which it was not before.

    The swine flu also contains more adjuvants -and 3 virus -that in itself makes it "NOT LIKE THE REGULAR FLU SHOT".

    Unless your saying the regular flu shot also contains:

    3 viruses
    adjuvants -squalene and MF59 (which has never been used before)

    October 20, 2009 at 10:07 am |
  180. Spring

    Of course not! This "vaccine" is way too new to be considered for anyone. No long term studies have been done, so we really don't know if it'll be beneficial in the long run or not.

    I hope I'm NEVER told to "get it or get out"!

    October 20, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  181. Tom

    If you are told to "get it or get out" you are in a police state country-no different than IRAN.

    The US has lost its moral compass when it comes to drug company profits -vaccines are a large part of revenue to drug Co's simply because the got the government to do their dirty work-and that is to :

    Force people to get the pig vaccine under threats of :

    losing their job
    not allowing their children in schools
    not allowing them to have a choice in nursing homes
    not allowing soldiers to say NO.
    getting doctors to recommend this vaccine.

    It has NOT been proven to even work -what other consumer products get a free ride today, while the FDA supresses alternative medicine, vitamins and supplements that do work- you won't be able to take those either. All you will be able to take is : more drugs that don't work. More vaccines that are filled with mercury, more, more more.
    I suspect they will come out with a vaccine for Sneezing. Or for breathing air. or for pink rabbits soon....they have gone completely vaccine crazy. A child now gets over 39 shots before the age of 6.
    A vaccine for measles? Ha...we used to have measle parties when I was a kid- to get the immunity to them. That is what the drug company's want you to believe; that you don't have an immune system and they are doing their very best to destroy the one you were born with that protects you.

    If the drug company's need to force people to take their product -no wonder they are not legally liable if you get damaged for life.

    Its a perfect world for big pharma these days...

    October 20, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  182. roystin mallet

    If you're healthy and of European descent the flu vaccine makes no sense whatsoever, getting this swine flu now while it is mild will protect you against it if it does get more deadly down the road, and the vaccine will just screw up that natural process, it won't protect you as well and they add all kinds of junk that is definitely not good for you. These are facts and neo conservative spin should not undermine sound reasoning. In Canada the vaccine is free, and the government is buying it anyway, they should not force or falsely encourage people who should not get it to take it- it must be the doctors who are encouraging the overuse of flu vaccination as they get paid to treat us , not for keeping us healthy, the sicker we get, the richer the doctors get- that's why we need health care reform, this is a problem in Canada too, pay doctors to keep us healthy, not to treat us regardless of effects.The staus quo financially encourages doctors to allow us to get sicker. The doctor should get paid the same for a flu consultation, whether he gives the the needle or not.

    October 20, 2009 at 1:37 pm |
  183. jessi

    No. It is against Constitutional rights to make any vaccines mandatory. If you perfer to be handled by someone who has gotten the vaccine i think that should be available to you but to MAKE people take a vaccine like that is deffinately against the Constitution. If we allow that, whats next? Mandatory Vaccines in public schools? Private and Public practices? Restraunt workers? anyone in the public (ie. everyone?) Its a bad idea and I feel that the whole idea should be ignored.

    my vote? No.

    for those who vote Yes, you are too mainstream and need to do your own self study. The research is out there and you need to get your hands on it. I had the H1N1 virus in Chile for about a week and yes, it was uncomfortable, but it wasnt INSANE. I feel that we should take the same precautions of h1n1 with all viruses. The common flu is just as dangerous as the h1n1. Please inform yourselves!


    October 20, 2009 at 7:40 pm |
  184. Adam Caper

    I'm sorry, but I'm just appalled at all of you flat-earthers.

    Prior to our comfortable, cushy and astoundingly ignorant modern age there was a time when epidemics - flu, plague, typhoid - or chronic diseases like polio and tuberculosis would cut down whole swaths of humanity with great regularity. We have the great privilege of living in an age where those risks are almost entirely unknown (< 500 Americans dead of H1N1 in the past year? That would hardly have counted as a bad WEEK in a city like Paris a before vaccines were discovered.)

    That astounding progress was achieved by the smartest & most diligent people in society working devoting decades of their lives to become educated so that they could first understand, then experiment with, those diseases in a heroic search for treatments. Now, I know you tea-party birthers will have a hard time getting your little minds around this, but they didn't even do it for money (Salk donated the vaccine to the public domain...he thought it would be profoundly immoral to profit from the misery of others. Imagine that!).

    Now, I'm not a scientist. And I'll stipulate that nothing's perfect. But only a moron could fail to see that society is a MUCH MUCH better place because we have vaccines. Might some VERY FEW people have a bad reaction to a vaccine? Sure. But what's absolutely certain is that many more people will get sick and die if we don't have a high level of compliance.

    What truly disgusts me is not that you people want to gamble with your own lives - that's entirely your business - but that you don't seem to care a whit about anybody else. You're just a bunch of freeloaders - happy to live in a world without the threat of uncontrolled pandemics, but unwilling to do your part to maintain that world. As far as I'm concerned, you're just a bunch of cowardly cheaters.

    And I'm equally sure that if you do get sick, you'll go running down to your local FREE emergency room and spew your virus-laden breath all over everyone while demanding treatment.

    In ancient times people were quarantined - or sometimes even burned alive - when they got sick in a pandemic. Here' s the acid test for your fear-mongers: if you do get sick, will you refuse treatment? Will you agree that you're entirely on your own, with no help from the society that you're so happy to disdain with your little narrow opinions? Can the rest of us just lock you away to let your god-given natural healing ability fight it on its own? Because if you're going to refuse the prevention, I can't see where you have any right to the cure.

    October 21, 2009 at 10:06 am |
  185. Tom

    If you start forcing people to take a dangerous vaccine as the Emergency Act already has the authority to do -this is against Constitutional Rights and its clearly stated -just as is the right to bear arms. The right to health is a right that everyone has -and this vaccine is not healthy in fact it will permanently damage your immune system.

    No one has the right to force you-or threaten you -by losing your job to take this vaccine. The US government has gone crazy with these laws and they should be repealed immediately.

    October 21, 2009 at 10:07 am |
  186. Tom

    More drug company pro-pig-anda -the vaccine has not proven to stop any diseases. Polio was already decreased on its own-drug makers are taking credit for that -but it simply is not true.

    In the name of profits children are increasingly vaccinated for anything from measles to sneezing-its getting way out of hand and un-necessary. Similarly the vaccinating of a newborn baby -1 day old against hepatitis is very damaging and not necessary again considering the baby will not be doing drugs or having relations on the way home from the hospital. Yet the Drug Co have managed to convince the govt. that a new born baby must be vaccinated for hep before it is "allowed" to go home.

    This is pure profit driven manipulation and the drug co's have gotten away with it ...but the buck stops here. These laws must be repealed immediately. For a baby to get 36 or more vaccines -now the swine flu added on (completely untested and a carcinogen) this will kill the immune system of the child.

    You can take your vaccine theories and flush them -because they are not scientifically proven to work, hence you have people damaged and sick after taking a vaccine.

    There are many safe, effective anti-virals in Vitamin D, and others -people don't have to take this commercial vaccine- aluminum is not a good virus fighter, nor is squalene nor is mercury. This is junk science -including the fact that the Swine vaccine is grown on aborted baby cells and the lines are dirty. This vaccine is now manufactured in China -well know for its lack of safety-drug co's will find the cheapest method to make this vaccine-even a dirty one from China. There is no guarantee – no warranty- no liability if you are permanently damaged from the swine vaccine. The best research predicts it does more harm and prevents absolutely nothing.

    Junk Science for Profits – greed kills.

    October 21, 2009 at 10:38 am |
  187. Lindsay, RN BSN

    In response to Adam Caper and his high and mighty soapboxing

    For starters there are several other reasons that diseases like the plague and typhoid were so deadly and none of the have to do with a lack of a vaccine. They have to do with a lack of sanitation and hygiene. The streets of Paris during the plague were filled with garbage, old food, feces, rats and rodents that carried it around and spread it from human to human, Typhoid is caused by water contamination. The reasons we rarely see these disease anywhere anymore is NOT because of a vaccine it is because of proper sanitation, sewer systems, clean water, and personal hygiene.

    Second of all I am not a subscriber to the Tea Party identity, Birther theory and do not believe that the earth is flat. I voted for President Obama and consider myself a liberal.

    Several thousands who recieve the vaccine will still get H1N1. For the vast majority it is nothing more than the regular old flu, it is just a variation on it. There is no treatment except for Tamiflu and several doctors WILL NOT even prescribe it for their patients because it does no good if not taken within the first 24-48 hours of aquiring H1N1, even then many people will say that it did them no good. We used to realize that some illness just needed to run their course and then a person has a natural immunity which is far far better than any vaccine. That's why this disease is affecting the young much more than the old because the swine flu already went around in the 1970's.

    95% of the people who show up at the emergency room will be told to go home and rest, alternate tylenol and ibuprofen for fever reducing and body aches and stay hydrated. There is NO CURE for H1N1, other than a natural immunity.

    This vaccine is another symptom of the "give me what I want and give it to me now" attitude that a lot of americans have toward health care. They have high blood pressure, give me a pill. Type 2 diabetes, give me a pill or insulin. High cholesterol, give me a pill. Never mind the underlying problems that are causing these diseases can be eradicated by proper diet and exercise just give me the easy fix, I don't need to cure the problem I can just cover it up with a bunch of meds. If people took better care of themselves we wouldn't be so sick.

    You should read your post again you sound like quite the fear monger yourself

    October 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  188. Adam Caper

    Lindsay - I don't see anything in my post that could be fairly called fear-mongering. I'm pointing out a bit of history (though I'll admit that I painted with a bit of a broad brush when I included plague & typhoid in the list...I did so to support the general support that we owe both science and civic-minded leaders - who many seem to love to try to smear with labels like 'socialist' or 'fascist', as though those two ideologies have anything to do with on another - a great debt of gratitude for having stood up to ignorance and sloth to pursue reforms. I'm pretty confident that most who read what I wrote in good faith understood that, but I appreciate the correction for the benefit of the slower - or more pig-headed - amongst the readership.

    I stand behind my broader point that there seems to be a cottage industry which seeks to leverage our nations epidemic of narcissism and ignorance to sow mistrust and fear relative to that issue. Lindsay, maybe you aren't one of those people. But you work in their service - or, as the old saw goes, the service of the devil - when you justify their self-righteous ignorance.

    And while you're right about there being no CURE, there is an inoculation, the very mechanism of which is to enlist the body's defense mechanisms to create a natural immunity. The vaccine, like so many other things we do in life - exercise, education, reading emotive literature, having a stimulating conversation - is a trigger for a natural process, nothing more. As a nurse, you should have a solid grasp of this fundamental bit of science.

    If you're going to use your degree validate an opinion, it should be one that's supported by what you were taught in nursing school. Your claims are just the opposite, and you use the letters 'RN' as nothing more than a Trojan horse to try to foist an unsupported opinion on others.

    October 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  189. roystin mallet

    Fact,the vaccine does not stop the spread of flus, it just slows it down. You can still pick up the virus and pass it on even if you get the vaccine. Fact for 'most people' in north america, this swine flu is extremely milder than the regular seasonal flu's, if you are white and over 25 and under 75. So its better to get exposed to this swine flu (again, if you are in this catagory you were probably exposed to it 25 years ago or more, and already have better immunity to it than the vaccine could be imagined to have- fact, and if you deny this you are a flat earther, and a spanish inquistitor.... did someone mention the spanish iquisition?....) but if you are latino, north or south american aboriginal, and everyone under 25 or over 75. then you should be more concerned. If you are north or south American aboriginal, this flu is deadlier, but we haven't been given the real statistic of how deadly this new swine flue is, just body counts. Even in the worst case scenarios so far, this seems to be much milder than the recent regular seasonal flu's( these are actually avian – meaning 'bird', what was the difference with the new Asian bird flu that they needed to terrorize us about it the last few years is not clear (-ly expressed in the media). So if you are Mexican, or of north or south American aboriginal descent, there may be more urgency for getting a swine flu vaccine, but maybe not this one- why was there a race to produce a vaccine, since it is much milder than the usual flues?? This is very suspicious. And what is the story in Australia, in Asia and Africa and the peoples of their descent. There seem to be racial differences when it comes to health and disease regarding this swine flu ,and ignoring it may prove to be deadly, look what happened to North American Aboriginal peoples with the arrival of Europeans, and how devastating diseases were to north America's first nations. Is it happening again and is the white media staying silent on this issue to try to finish off what they started 4oo years ago? Its what they're not telling us that is going to kill us.

    October 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  190. Lindsay

    A vaccine is not natural. There are 4 different types of specific immunity and a vaccine is under the umbrella of active artificial immunity. I am not saying that we shouldn't give any vaccines I am simply saying that to make it the end all be all, the solution is missing the point entirely. Also obviously those who equate fascism with socialism are just down right uneducated and I totally agreee that we need health care reform across the board. I resent that fact that you say I work for the devil. I work for my patients, as a nurse I am a patient advocate and work in any way I can to help them, that's why I got into nursing because I do care about people even if they don't believe what I do.

    October 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm |
  191. Sharon Bowers

    I am a registered nurse and if all health care workers would walk out because they are making this vaccine mandatory, it would stop the nonsense. I read comments from people and I worry about what I will contract from them as I care for them and flu is the least thing i am concerned about..what about AIDS, TB, MRSA, to name a few. We use standard precautions and the flu can be transmitted in the they want us to quit breathing??? So, if mandatory everyone in the world shoulg get the vaccine, because these people have contact with other people..why are healthcare workers singled out??I think a money making profit for DHEC and the drug companies and getting the vaccine does not ensure you will not get the flu.

    October 21, 2009 at 2:17 pm |
  192. Tom

    The cottage industry of drug company's is billions of dollars
    in profit for selling the US government a vaccine that is unproven
    and full of carcinogens.

    No one has more narcissism that big pharma-but their cure
    rates are non-existent.

    The epidemic of narcissism and ignorance as you put it is
    within the corporate world of drug co's.
    Mistrust and fear you bet, of drug company's that keep
    re-packaging the old swine flu vaccine but this time
    they have outdone themselves. By adding 3 viruses in one
    plus the 3 other carcinogens...don't you understand you
    are injecting people with cancer?

    You're right about there being no CURE, there is an inoculation
    an inoculation that will certainly kill the person but not the swine flu.

    There is no need for a synthetic vaccine of carcinogens
    To make the human body work-it does so automatically.
    This is the fallacy of drug co policy -they are trying to
    Take the place of the immune system and they have failed

    Some one said "The vaccine, like so many other things we do in life

    – exercise, education, reading emotive literature,
    having a stimulating conversation." LOLOL

    A vaccine is like exercising? LOL. Exercise does not cause
    cancer -this vaccine will -and it is no wonder that
    the drug co's hide behind the No Liability laws -because
    they know full well this vaccine will cause damages.

    It is not a common habit of people to get so many
    vaccines and to give blanket statements that it can
    not hurt you -is false advertising and fraudulent.

    Someone said the vaccine is a "trigger for a natural process?"

    That is the body's immune system's job not a drug/vaccine
    you have a natural immune system and it works perfectly well
    without damaging it.

    This vaccine was designed to damage your natural immune
    system- you are definitely twisting the truth.

    Humans are BORN WITH AN IMMUNE SYSTEM and no vaccine or drug can claim to be equivalent as the power of the human Immunity
    it heals every cold, flu or virus given the right Vitamins such as C and D.

    These drug company's are pretty desperate -trying to con
    the public -like they did to the FDA. How many times has
    the FDA approved a drug that was later found to be dangerous
    deadly and pulled off the market. Hundreds and hundreds of times
    the FDA has been wrong and in this instance they are:

    The vaccine will not work-the only thing it will do
    is damage your immune system permanently.

    October 21, 2009 at 2:53 pm |
  193. Tom

    To Sharon: Health care workers, doctors, and medical personnel should all walk off the job- they are in danger of being forced to take a very harmful damaging vaccine under laws that are unconstitutional. This madness has to end-by a massive revolt against big pharma -they will not control our lives. The guns will come out before that happens.

    You are right- if they start mandating this Swine Cancer vaccine- all hell will break loose. Don't be a lab rat for an experimental drug- look at their track record:

    NSAID's cause kidney damage and stomach damages and much more.

    They’ve got antacids, anti-anxiety drugs, anti-acne drugs, anti-arrhythmic drugs, anti-asthmatic drugs, antibiotics, anti-coagulants, anti-convulsants, anti-depressants, anti-diabetic agents, anti-diarrheals, anti-diuretics, anti-emetics, anti-estrogens, anti-histimines, anti-hypertensives, anti-infectives, anti-inflammatory agents, anti-psychotics, anti-spasmodics, anti-thyroid agents, anti-ulcer agents, anti-virals – anti ad infinitum. If this present course of madness is not altered, soon the entire planet will be medicated with some type of pharmaceutical drug.

    All if not many have been pulled off the market. Take Hormone Replacement Drugs that caused breast cancer. Try some Lipator or Fosimax -you'll get a heart attack or your jaw bone will be destroyed -take your pick....and take your vaccine and shove it.

    October 21, 2009 at 3:01 pm |
  194. Tom

    If a drug even caused one death-it should be taken off the market.

    You have :

    rezulin- 63 confirmed deaths -approved by the FDA

    Lotronex 5 deaths, bowel surgery for 93-approved by the FDA

    Propulsid- 100 deaths -heart attacks-approved by the FDA

    Redux-heart valve damage- approved by the FDA.

    Pondimin- lethal lung disorder-approved by the FDA

    Duract_ Fatal liver damage-approved by the FDA

    Seldane-Heart attacks, blackouts, deaths -approved by the FDA

    Hismanal- cardiac arrest-approved by the FDA

    Posicor- Drug interactions-100 deaths- approved by the FDA
    Prempro-causes breast cancer-in millions of women-Apprvd by FDA
    Raxar- cardiac death-toxicity -approved by the FDA

    3 Billion dollars spent on direct marketing to doctors to pump these pills and drugs to doctors -instead of making their own drugs safe-the pharmas are more interested in pushing drugs.

    Lets continue with the list of drug co accomplishments:

    Claritn, Avapro, Flonase, Flovent, Celebrex, Vanceril, Xenical, Allegra, Avandia, Ditropan and Pravachol.

    Not a very good track record is it?

    We can add:

    H1N1 Swine Cancer Vaccine- results unknown -but take it anyway.
    Approved by the FDA.

    Choice is yours folks. Trust is not earned with these co's. They are more interested in profit and are causing massive death.

    October 21, 2009 at 3:12 pm |
  195. David

    Some H1N1 vaccines, those taken from multi-dose bottles do contain thimerosal, a perservative that is in vaccines to prevent the growth of microbes and fungi that would make the vaccine itself harmful or even deadly. Single dose packages, and the nasal spray do not contain thimerosal. It's not needed as the dose in a single use package is not repeatedly accessed. All of this according to an FDA report "Thimerosal in Vaccines." Thimerasol is an organic version of mecury and is as such about half mercury, ethylmercury as opposed to inorganic mercury or methlymercury. It is believed that methylmercury is more neurotoxic than ethylmercury and that ethylmercury is metabolized and eliminated as waste. The FDA report maintains that thimerosal levels in vaccines, combinations of vaccines that children take are below levels that would be toxic, but at the same time notes that it is "plausible" but not proven that thimerosal could be connected with neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism and ADHD and that it is encouraging manufacturers to use other preservatives due to the concern about thimerosal. All of this comes from a report that can be found by going to, clicking on "Vaccination" under "H1N1 flu (Swine flu)" the main page, then clicking on "General Information about 2009 H1N1 Vaccines," then scrolling down to "Vaccine Safety and Monitoring" and clicking on the only topic under that heading, "Specific information on vaccine safety topics." That takes you to a page with the heading "Vaccine Safety." On that page there are links to:

    General Questions and Answers
    Questions and Answers on Thimerosal
    Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)
    Questions and Answers about Adjuvants

    Surprisingly, the rept on thimerosal can be found by clicking on the "Questions and Answers about Adjuvants" link. That takes you to a page where there are q&a's about adjuvants, but on the siderail of that page there are numerous topics under "Vaccine Safety," including "Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal)." Click on that and scroll down to a list of "Related Links." The first link on that list is "Thimerosal." That's the FDA report, "Thimerosal in Vaccines," that thoroughly and informatively introduces the subject of the use of thimerosal in vaccines.

    The upshot of this as far as I can tell is that the single dose packages of the H1N1 vaccine, those w/o thimerosal shld be used for children. Older adults who are not taking lots of vaccines, other than possibly an annual flu shot would not be risking putting too much thimerosal in their bodies via vaccination. Maybe that's the upshot. Building up one's immune system to a new virus is the first priority, I would imagine.

    One note, info above, not the last paragraph that's my opinion, is not a precise summary of the FDA report, it's what I as a blogger gleaned from it.

    October 21, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
  196. David

    Tom, it's true there is a problem with heavy on marketing by drug companies, but the vaccines and immunizations are not so much controlled by that industry. They are more a matter of public health and as such influenced by the public health and medical community. Those communities are much more answerable to the public in the event of a public health emergency, and much less influence by making the big money.

    You opine about Thimerosal but don't bother to note that it's been used for decades to assure vaccine safety by preventing microbial and fungal contamination that can be deadly. You say adjuvants have never been used before, but in fact they are used in other vaccines to stimulate the immune system so less microbial matter is needed in the vaccine. They are used successfully. You keep saying that the H1N1 vaccine is totally unproven, but preliminary results available on the CDC's website, on the NIH's website, and at least one manufacturers website, Sanofi-Pasteur, show that the vaccine is successful in raising the profile of the immune system to a level that is regarded as having an immunity to a given virus. I admit, it's hard to understand some of those results, but the point is they exist.

    I do however applaud your wish to not see people walk off of a cliff and do something that you believe to be unsafe. Communication is the best way to do that.

    October 21, 2009 at 5:18 pm |
  197. roystin mallet

    h1n1,swine flu is generally much milder than the usual seasonal flus , so does anyone care at all about it, if your white and over 30 it would crazy to take the vaccine over getting the flu itself, because if it does become more dangerous down the road, 6 months or a year or two, getting the flu itself is the best immunity to future outbreaks. Exposure to a similar swine flus in the 70's and earlier is 'helping ' to reduce the severity of the symptoms to this updated version of the swine flu, so obviously the best thing to do is get it again. Taking a this swine flu vaccine, will not only void your immune system to develop naturally with the swine flu, the best protection, but it will also increase your chances of getting the seasonal flu, which is much more deadly than the swine flu. Follow sound reasoning and logic, don't let the neo conservative terror mongers scare into do the worst thing you could in dealing with this swine flu . Vaccines are developed and intended for those people who are already unhealthy, with compromised immune systems, or other underlying medical problems, these are the people who already have been prioritised and are being given the immune system- the only time to seek medical attention is if your already in trouble. As one gentle man already stated, we should be having swine flu parties, making sure we get it now while its so extremely mild, is the best way it develop our immune systems naturally. Doctors, private hospitals,Hmos, and the health insurance industry get paid for every shot, and thats why there is all this hype. These people get richer faster, the sicker the population gets, the way the health care system is set up now, and thats why they're pushing flu vaccines, they may help in the short term, but in the long run they undermine our relationship with the natural world, and make us more vulnerable to flus, more dependant upon vaccines, that don't really work that well, especially long term as these flus evolve over the years. its only the very old, the sick, the young, under 25, and those of non-european ancestry. Why is there no new information about why this swine flu was more deadly in mexico, australia ( possibly due to their aboriginee population, why isn't this being covered in the news?), and in Canada on native reserves and among Canada's aboriginal communities. Is the same true in the u.s. for those communities, why is this not being covered at all. Get to the facts.

    October 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm |
  198. Tom

    You know the funny thing about this Swine Flu Vaccine?

    They are not telling you it is 100 percent guaranteed to work.

    I take it that if this virus changes into another virus -they will come up with another vaccine and you will be forced to take that and another and another and another. If we are to believe that these 3 viruses naturally combined together, then we can believe they will change again. This is their scientific theory at the drug laboratory.

    So, if you take this vaccine – it offers you NO FUTURE protection?

    Isn't that funny?

    October 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm |
  199. roystin mallet

    Also flu vaccines over stimulate the immune system,fact. i took the regular seasonal flu vaccine for three years and developed allergies to dust, mold , and sensitivities to fungi and yeast, this is a serious problem because active yeast is a key ingredient to good beer! and that has seriously diminished my quality of life. but seriously, it is a fact that the flu vaccine does over stimulate your immune system, and anyone with auto immune problems is discouraged from getting it, so what does that tell you. you should only get a flu vaccine if getting the flu might kill you, if you're already sick, very old, etc. and for most of us, this swine flu is extremely mild, so getting the swine flu is really the best thing you could do for your immune system. Personally i wouldn't believe my doctor if he said he already got it, let him get another shot right in front of you if its such a good idea, and the same for the rest of his family, and even then i still wouldn't get the flu vaccine, but i would feel a bit better. if this flu was so devastating to Mexicans, how are other Latinos being affected by it, is it just as deadly for them as it was for Mexicans, if there is a difference, then why?

    October 23, 2009 at 1:21 am |
  200. David

    According to the CDC preliminary results from a study of 120 people showed that 116 97% developed an increased immunity to, I believe, H1N1 after one vaccination. Please see "Update on Influenza A (H1N1) Monovalent Vaccines" the link is found on the "Information for Clinicians and Health Care Professionals" page that is found on the "H1N1 Flu Vaccination Resources" page that can be found by clicking on "Vaccination" under "H1N1 flu (Swine Flu)" on the CDC's
    home page at Having said that I wish I better understood how a vaccine raises the body's immune profile or response and how specific that is to a specific flu.

    Flu vaccines though are not a one shot deal. That's because flus themselves change and alter and can become more virulent and dangerous as they combine. That's why new vaccines are developed on an annual basis I believe for even regular annual flu outbreaks. It's something we have to keep working on.

    October 23, 2009 at 4:02 pm |
  201. Tom

    A study of 120 people for 21 days is hardly enough testing to make this vaccine safe. Further it was not tested for causing cancer-no vaccines have passed that test.

    Who paid for the study, who conducted the study and what relationship do they have to the drug makers? Also if flu vaccines are not a one shot deal how does one consider a vaccine's effectiveness if you must keep taking them over and over again? One flu shot only covers a few flu strains and there are over 300 strains -does this mean people have to get injected with cancer causing vaccines forever and why are the long term effects never mentioned in this study of 120 people?

    Interesting facts that drug company's will not test or disclose. The FTC must do investigations on the "safety" of these flu vaccines and they are not obviously not doing their job.

    October 23, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
  202. Kris

    I've had to smile while reading all of this. As an ER nurse, I have been exposed to hundreds of patients with Swine Flu. I actually received my Flu-mist yesterday. It was optional. Hey, I took OPV when I was a child. Guess my mother who is also a RN decided it was better to give me the " live virus" (oooooh scary, c'mon) than to run the risk of raising a disabled child.
    What is amazing to me is how many people are demanding that health care personnel get vaccinated for everything. I would say that the majority of us have had many vaccines. However, what kills me is the irresponsibility of the public. I ask patients AND families to practice good hygeine while they are in my care but many look at me in my mask and give me dirty looks!!! They say, " oh, I probably have it anyway, no NEED for me to wear a mask while I am here. I know I am coughing BUT NOT THAT BAD!!!! " Health care workers are not the police. While we are limiting visitors, people walk into hospitals and clinics and bring all kinds of GERMS with them and then leave with more GERMS. We cannot require that all people coming and going HAVE to wash their hands!!! OR could we ??? should we??? Maybe Aunt Sally really got worse in the hospital because of a visitor and Not necessarily her nurse.
    I think CNN should follow the other Superbugs. Funny, when I worked in ICU I always practiced sctict isolation procedures. And... while the family and vistors were counselled on what to wear, touch, dispose, wash, etc. I would find them in bed next to their loved one with C-diff, MRSA, VRE with no isolation protection. After that, they went to the public bathrooms,gift shop, cafeteria, and then to the grocery store. Where was I... that I didn't see them entering that room???? Oh, probably caring for someone elses very sick loved one. Maybe, I should get a police badge or the hospital should pay for armed guards, hmmm??? Yep, there you have it... community acquired MRSA.
    As for those who think nurses can be replaced if they are terminated, I didn't realize you could get a nursing degree in a week. You can't even learn to do computerized training ,documenting every precise detail of your MANY patients. Often, med surg nurses have 12 patients to care for, chart on, answer phones, feed, turn, change linen, and deal with all the visitors.
    For all those who don't envelope themselves in it every day have no clue. CNN... you should follow a busy RN/LPN for a week and see what we really go through.
    So, get the vaccine vs. not???? I can only protect myself, my family and try to protect my patients as best I can. There are risks with everything.

    October 24, 2009 at 12:24 am |
  203. Tom

    The Flu Mist up the nose has an active live strain which is airborne with the person breathing out the virus for a period of 21 days. For those around a person who has had the Flu Mist they are being exposed to the live actual virus. It is the most readily available method of spreading the H1N1 Virus available.

    Does a nurse wear a mask to prevent spreading the H1N1 virus to patients after they obtain a Flu Mist shot up the nose?

    Would a nurse tell me she received the Flu Mist virus before she treats me or attends to my care?

    Yes patients bring germs into hospitals but also leave with many more they didn't have, in fact hospitals have a record of poor sterilization methods especially now.

    We had swine flu in 1976 and there was not this type of wide spread of the virus then as there is now. How is it exactly being spread?

    Questions, questions.

    October 24, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  204. David

    The thing is there are fears and concerns about the vaccine, but right along side that there is the fact that getting the vaccine protects you against a virus, H1N1, that already is known to result in severe infection for some young people and pregnant women.

    October 25, 2009 at 4:07 pm |
  205. stephen baumgardner

    i would just like to see a hearing in the senate to find out why h1n1 was not taken serious enough for the obama administration . my wife is 5 months pregnant and works in a cancer center and we have called every agency we could and not only can she not get the seasonal flu shot, you almost feel like you are wasting your time even trying to get the h1n1 shot. if my wife gets sick who do i blame .

    October 26, 2009 at 9:47 am |
  206. Tom

    You would blame the same people that damaged your unborn fetus. You really want to take " a risk like that" with your child's health?
    Most parents will not.

    Have you heard of vitamins, and health supplements -perhaps you should be reading about those instead of trying to get a mercury filled shot for your pregnant wife.

    Good luck to you ....and yes you are wasting your time trying to get a vaccine that will not work anyway.

    What if the virus changes? That vaccine you just exposed your wife to didn't work? What if? Ever heard of thalidomide? Just google it.
    In the 1960's an experimental drug caused deformities in pregnant women – babies were born with no arms. Your choice – you must be a risk taker.

    October 26, 2009 at 10:01 am |
  207. Nick

    To say that the health care provider should get the H1N1 shot to keep everyone "safe" is ridiculous! If that's the case then it should be required for everyone in the US because my daughter may catch the flu from someone at school, or at the mall, or at the theatre. ect. better yet if you're that concerned oabout catching it from the healthcare provider you'd be better off getting the shot yourself to protect yourself from everyone else who is not required!.

    October 27, 2009 at 6:53 pm |