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December 7th, 2009
02:52 PM ET

Are Colleges Covering Up Campus Rapes?

To start our second hour today, we looked at a report by The Center for Public Integrity on how colleges handle... or DON'T handle... rape cases.

If you'd like to check out CPI's coverage, here are the first and second articles in their series.

 


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  1. John in Seattle

    Your female guest on this segment could not even look directly into the camera. She knew she was lying, when she said 1 in 5 women are raped in college. It's all in the body language. It is funny how these accusations come from people no one would want to have sex with.

    What happened to the latest gangrape story? Did that turn out to be nothing more than another sexual fantasy of a promiscuous female? Every gang rape I have ever heard reported in the national media, has turned out to be a false accusation. That stripper ruined the lives of four boys at Duke University, and walked away with a college education courtesy of Jesse Jackson.

    Women making false accusations of rape also fueled the vast majority of racial violence against blacks, particularly those cases connected to the KKK. White women would willingly have sex with a black man, then claim she was raped when she gets caught. This bs has to stop. We can no longer allow women to lock up people with a false accusation and get away with it. Particularly with this "false memory" lie.

    December 7, 2009 at 3:06 pm |
  2. ABF

    Well I guess you're saying that the US government is lying because that's where the 1 in 5 statistic is coming from. Do your research before you try to debunk statistics that are actually true.

    John in Seattle obviously has had some bad experiences because people who get raped have had consensual sex before. It isn't about passion or love or sex – it's about power.

    Time to do some reading and properly educate yourself about rape and sexual assault.

    December 7, 2009 at 10:21 pm |
  3. Susan R

    From the transcript, Kyra asks the question: So, taking this all into consideration, if my daughter is in college right now and she's raped, what should she do?

    And the response from Paul Callan, defense attorney and former prosecutor: They can absolutely just call the cops. I mean, that's what the law allows.

    And I think what you have to remember with respect to this study, this study is focusing on cases, a lot of cases, where women have gone to the police and the police have found there is a problem with the case. And they don't want to prosecute the case.

    So they then turn back to the university and they get involved in university disciplinary proceedings and mediation proceedings. These proceedings all have special rules, they have privacy rules. And these women are finding they don't get satisfaction on campus. But they can pursue criminal charges and they also can pursue civil charges. You could sue somebody civilly for money damages if you are raped. So these women, these young college students, there are alternatives available to them if the colleges don't give them satisfaction.

    NOT SO, MR CALLAN:
    1. At UVA, the campus police and only the campus police have jurisdiction over crimes that occur on campus. Even though the Charlottesville police were contacted, they could not investigate.

    2. The UVA Police mishandled the investigation. They waited 10 days to interview the rapist and did NOT interview any witnesses other than the victim. Therefore, their recommendation to the Commonwealth Attorney (Prosecutor) was that there was not enough information to "win" a case.

    3. The Commonwealth Attorney told the young victim that even though she repeatedly told the attacker NO and that he was hurting her, those were common comments during sex. He told the young victim that just because it hurts doesn't mean it isn't consensual.he used the example that even though he was married for 20 years, when he has sex with his wife she sometimes says it hurts so he "changes position". He told the young victim that just because it hurts doesn't mean it isn't consensual. Is that what an officer of the Court tells a young victim?

    4. Satisfaction on campus? A Sexual assault Board is not satisfaction. The young victim must represent herself against the rapist, without friends or family present. In what Court does a Rape victim have to defend herself under the veil of secrecy? When he says "She asked for it" the case is already over, even though she says he is lying. It's a train wreck. In addition, the Standard of Proof for a guilty verdict in the school tribunal is Clear and Convincing; Title IX, just as in a Civil Trial, requires only a preponderance of evidence. UVA is not compliant with Title IX.

    5. A civil suit? The cheapest retainer we could find was $30,000 and the lawyer warned us his fees could go as high as $150,000. What college kid has that kind of money? On the other hand, the rapists doesn't have to pay for an attorney - his parents home insurance covered his lawyer. Isn't that something?? Same as if someone tripped on their sidewalk!

    December 7, 2009 at 10:59 pm |
  4. John in Seattle

    To ABF:

    I have done my research. As a matter of fact, I've written a book. It is coming to an internet bookstore near you within the next week. 90% of the people who are registered sex offenders, are there for things like streaking and sexting. They are harmless. Our government tries to hide this fact, but you can find the truth if you dig hard enough. They want us to believe there is a child molester around every corner. Feminists want to lock men up just by pointing a finger at them. Forget habeas corpus.They want to make it so they do not even have to face those they falsely accuse in court. Sounds alot like the Salem witch hunts. Those were a result of lying females as well, just like Rosewood.

    The one in five statistic comes from false accusations of rape. They call it "date rape." A woman willingly has sex, then decides to punish the man for a one night stand. We don't have to look any further than the news media. They are constantly airing women who make false accusations of gangrape. I can't think of one gangrape that has been reported, that has turned out to be true. I haven't heard anything more about the latest accusation. But I assure you that twenty people did not stand by while a girl was being raped.

    Why don't you do a little research. Or better yet, try a little common sense. We have to stop believing in this sugar and spice myth about females. They are every bit as vile as men. We hear about women, who kill their children or gut another woman for a fetus, just as often as we hear about serial killers. We are predatory mammals at the top of the food chain. That includes women.

    I am not sure what you meant by bad experiences. I am sure that was some backhanded feminist accusation, trying to imply I have been arrested for rape. I'm squeaky clean. But I have had plenty of experience with women. Most of them have fantasies about being raped. It is time to stop the lies.

    December 8, 2009 at 3:51 pm |
  5. Susan R

    John – Any statistic can be skewed if you limit your population to those who have the experiences you wish to write about.

    When people discuss "rape" they always confuse rape with sex. Rape is not about sex. Rape/Sexual Assault is a crime of violence, power, and control. It occurs when a person is forced, threatened, coerced, intimidated or manipulated into sexual contact they did not want. It includes any kind of unwanted sexual contact. Rape/Sexual assault is not about sex, lust, or passion. Its an act of power, control, and violence used to dominate and humiliate another person. Because many people believe that only forcible rape by a stranger is rape/sexual assault, victims (and others) sometimes blame themselves for the feelings they have after an assault, especially if they were assaulted by someone they know.

    Eighty percent of all sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows – a date, a neighbor, a co-worker, a family member, a spouse. Rape or sexual assault by someone the victim knows is AS SERIOUS a crime as rape committed by a stranger.

    I copied this from an FBI profiler page and it describes my daughter's rapist to a "T":

    More often than not, the type of male who commits date rapes is a Power-assertive rapist. He is usually athletic and has a "macho" image of himself. . He typically meets his victim in a bar or nightclub. Instead of targeting a specific victim, he looks for an opportunity to get a woman alone with him, perhaps with an offer of a ride home or an invitation back to his place. Or he may con his victim into trusting him or letting him into her home. Approximately 44 percent of rapes are committed by power-assertive rapists. He is physically aggressive, and will use the amount of force needed to control you - but he does not intend to kill you.

    Women don't fantasize about rape, as you suggest. Did you interview any rape victims for your book? The behavior of a person who was raped is not the same as a person who hooked up with a guy for a night and decided she made a mistake. A rape victim does not have the option to choose whether or not to have sex; it is forced upon her.

    Sexual fantasies are not synonymous with rape. How callous and reprehensible that you would even suggest such an idea.

    So, back on topic - do universities hide these crimes? Yes! Why? Not They don't want to upset the dollar donors.

    December 8, 2009 at 7:25 pm |
  6. michael armstrong sr. TX.

    It depends on how many politicians have high stakes in the schools financial well being.

    December 9, 2009 at 9:33 am |
  7. Dodie - CA

    @ John in Seattle

    Your book is definitely on my NOT to purchase list. After reading this blog, you did not obtain efficient statistics; you obviously have some personal issue with women who come forward regarding being raped; thus, slanting any opinion you may have. And you are Not a psychologist! Anyone can write a book. So that makes you an expert?... I think not!

    You draw conclusions from nonsense conjectures! A good example is seen below
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    You stated:

    “Your female guest on this segment could not even look directly into the camera. She knew she was lying, when she said 1 in 5 women are raped in college. It's all in the body language.“
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    You for one have no knowledge of body language. There are many reasons she did not look into the camera. Shame would be #1. You went right to her juggler and figured it was because she was lying! Good Grief!

    For your information, few women come forward as they know fingers like yours would be pointed at them. They know people like you will be saying… well you went on a date with him… you went to his place… it’s obvious you wanted it… you were asking for it.

    For your information… in most Date Rapes, the man raped the woman when she was saying No! What part of “NO” do you not understand!

    @ ABF and Susan R! Good comments!

    December 9, 2009 at 8:08 pm |
  8. John in Seattle

    Susan,

    I do not know why people keep trying to educate me about the definition of rape. Regardless, you are giving a psychologist's definition. These people define almost all natural human behavior as a disease or disorder. Addiction is not a disease. All humans are addicted to something. Bullying is a natural part of child development. All mammals establish a pecking order. These are the fools who are making emotions criminal (hate crime). We cannot trust psychologists any more than we can trust government.

    Rape is about sex. Women say it is about power and violence because they have no clue as to the true nature of man. Women use sex as a tool to manipulate. It is how the assert power. They cannot imagine it as a driving force in their lives. Virtually everything men do is about sex. With violent rapists and serial killers, it is the killing that turns them on. These people are sick and incurable. I believe they should be added to the list of capitol crimes. Psychologists want to get inside their heads and find out what makes them tick. It may help to mention that 66.7% of psychologists are women.

    Rape is a heinous crime. We can all agree on that. However, at least half of all date rapes are false accusations. We cannot allow women to lock men up simply by accusing them. You are a typical feminist who suffers from delusions of superiority. Women do not fantasize about rape? Oh yes they do, if you can get them to talk about their fantasies. Maybe you are uptight about sex. That doesn't mean female porn stars do not like their job. What do women dress up as every Halloween? Whips and leather are very popular. Every year the costumes contain less material. Do not tell me that women do not have sexual fantasies. You are insane if you believe that.

    Your state of denial about women is extraordinary. They show their boobs for plastic beads. If the behavior of a woman who was actually raped, and one who is making a false accusation are so different: How do women get away with false accusations of gangrape? Furthermore, why are they rewarded for doing so?

    Do you want to see that one in five statistic change? Make it a criminal act to make a false accusation of rape, instead of rewarding these predatory women with college sholarships. The stripper who made that false accusation should be rotting in prison right now. She should have faced the same sentence those four boys were facing: 120 years. She violated them in a manner entirely consistent with being raped. Their emotional scars will last for life.

    I am so tired of women like you, who think females are not dishonest. You think there would be no war if women ran the world, when Hillary threatened "to obliterate" Iran. Women lied during the Salem witch hunts, and people died. They lied about rape, which caused the KKK to burn Rosewood to the ground. They lie about rape today, and thousands upon thousands of innocent men are in prison as a result. People like you, will desecrate the constitution over what happened to your child. You are about nothing other than hate and revenge. You will ignore all truth. Talking to you is pointless.

    You are the one who is operating from a personal perspective. You do not care how many innocent men you throw in jail. You want to be able to do it simply by pointing a finger, as your gender did during the witch hunts. I intend to end make crusaders like you socially unacceptable, just like smokers. You are a threat to freedom. You are right about one thing: Most sexual assaults occur within the home. So why are you crusaders hassling the general public? Why don't you pay attention to your own families, instead of sticking your nose into the lives of others.

    I never spoke to the universities. I was focused on the lying feminist who couldn't look into the camera when she was lying. The universities are simply trying to avoid lawsuits. They also know that many of these accusations are false.

    December 9, 2009 at 10:07 pm |
  9. Dodie ~ CA

    @ John in Seattle

    You need to get the DSM-IV TR and read the part under addiction. Before you open your mouth.

    Rape is an act of violence using sex. Analogy would be me shoving something up into you while your tied down. The act is sex, the mechanism is violence.

    You need to read more!

    You definitely have issues with women. I would recommend psychotherapy!

    December 10, 2009 at 11:31 am |
  10. John in Seattle

    Well Dodie-

    They keep throwing out my comments here. We cannot have an honest conversation in this forum. Google the cold civil war. our divided house is falling. Maybe we can start the reconstruction.

    December 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  11. John in Seattle

    Dodie-

    The powers that be intentionally divide us. I am not sure what to say, so I can get past the politically correct police. They only seem to allow insults towards men to get through. They wish to leave us in this state of hatred. But I wish for you, and the other women who responded, to find me on the web. I guess I will have to press a few more buttons to cattle prod you into writing. I need people like you to write my sequel. You must be revealed for who you really are, and what you really think..

    There are 87 references in my book. Most of them are from your beloved government and mainstream media. I assure you I have done my reading. We cannot believe what we see on television. We certainly cannot believe our government officials. We need to get a second opinion on everything we read. They have you hating me for no reason. We agree that rape is a heinous act. But they have you believing that women do not lie about rape.

    Rape is a violent act. But rape is not about violence. It is driven by sexual desire. Castrate these people, and their desire to harm others diminishes. Psychologists are wrong about everything because they come from the feminine perspective. They think humans are cute and cuddly, when we are really predators at the top of the food chain. We will eat each other if it comes down to it. Put a hyphen in therapist, and what do you get? The-rapist. They keep you in a state of denial and encourage a refusal to accept responsibility. This will keep you coming back so they can strip you of $200 per hour.

    Psychologists are abour 66.7% wrong about human nature. That is because they are 66.7% women. Freud had something, but women perverted it. They threw out concepts that painted women in a negative light. For example, Freud put forth the idea of the super ego, to describe the behavior of women. That term is now used to describe men.

    Addiction is not a disease. These incompetent psychologists try to classify all natural human behavior as a disease or disorder. All humans are addicted to something. You cannot call behavior that all people exhibit a disease. Well you can, but that would mean you are suffering from the disease of stupidity.

    We like to think we are godlike creatures. But in reality, we are simply another species of monkey. We are no different than our hairy brothers. We will even fling poo if given the chance. I saw a guy dive into a vat of poo for football tickets the other day. As with chimps, everything we do is connected to our desire to reproduce. This is true of all animals, and we are no different. That includes people who have a disconnect between their brain and their genitals. Our human arrogance needs an adjustment. Even that guy diving into a vat of poo, was connected to our desire to reproduce.

    December 10, 2009 at 2:00 pm |
  12. Susan R

    Ponder this -

    A man is walking down the street, slightly intoxicated, just having left a party. He is heading towards his home. He sees an old friend; they stop and make small talk. Suddenly the old friend says, “Hand me your wallet”. The man is shocked because he knows this person and is confused why he would suddenly behave in such a demanding manner. He says “No”, but the old friend is taller and heavier and appears to mean business. The old friend does not have a gun or knife, yet the man is frightened. He protests but does not fight or scream because he is so frightened. He is unable to escape the situation. The old friend takes his wallet and runs off. A crime has just been committed. The police have no problem arresting the old friend for stealing. After all, he did not have the man’s consent to take the wallet. No one questions if the crime is due to the man’s slight intoxication. No one questions if the man should have fought and screamed. No one questions if a crime has been committed.

    Then, later that night,

    A woman is walking down the street, slightly intoxicated, just having left the same party. She is heading towards her home. She sees an old male friend; they stop and make small talk. Suddenly the man says, “I want to have sex with you.” The woman is shocked because she knows this person and is confused why he would suddenly behave in such a demanding manner. She says “No”, but the man is taller and heavier and appears to mean business. The man does not have a gun or knife, yet the woman is frightened. She protests but does not fight or scream because she is so frightened. She is unable to escape the situation. The man sexually assaults her and runs off. A crime has just been committed. The police do nothing even though the man did not have the woman’s consent to take liberties with her body. Everyone asserts that the crime is due to the woman’s slight intoxication. Everyone questions why the woman did not fight and scream. Everyone questions if a crime has been committed. Why?

    _________________________

    John, women do lie. Men lie. But many people have studied PTSD and rape and I hate to tell you, I learned in Psych 101 that rape is not about sex. You obviously have no capacity to open your mind to learn about the issue. I suggest you spend a week working at a rape crisis center and maybe, just maybe, the lightbulb will come on.

    There are exceptions to everything, but your premise is built upon a notion that rape is a woman's fantasy. I'd rather be celibate.

    December 10, 2009 at 2:16 pm |
  13. Susan R

    PS The reporter's body language, ie not looking in the camera, may have been the fault of the producer of the segment not alerting her where to look.

    The statistic that is used most often on campuses is One-in-four. One in five should be more palatable to you.

    Victims take longer to heal to become "Survivors" when they are continually victimized by a system of non-support and non-belief.

    John's comments are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

    December 10, 2009 at 2:21 pm |
  14. John in Seattle

    And one more thing, since they threw out yet another comment of mine (to make me look bad). I do not have issues with women, any more than I have a problem with men. I have issues with liars and hypocrites of all genders and races. You are the one filled with hatred toward the opposite gender. I acknowledge the shortcomings of my gender. You won't even acknowledge that women lie. I think it is clear which one of us hates the opposite gender.

    December 10, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  15. John in Seattle

    One more one more thing...As I said, I do not have a problem with women. I have a problem with people who make false accusations of rape. The real issue, is that fact that you apparently do not care about this reality. I have called for death for men who commit rape. You will not even acknowledge the crimes committed against those boys at Duke. You will not agree that the stripper deserves to rot in prison. You haven't so much as mentioned the injustice. I hope the true nature of feminists is becoming apparent to all who read these comments. They really do not care how many innocent men they lock up in our concentration camps.

    December 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm |
  16. Dodie ~ CA

    @ John in Seattle

    You stated:
    I am not sure what to say, so I can get past the politically correct police. They only seem to allow insults towards men to get through.

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    So now you are assuming that the CNN staff is all female? Stop your whinning!

    John, so how does it feel being a victim and having NO control???

    December 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm |
  17. Dodie ~ CA

    @ John in Seattle

    You stated: . “Psychologists are wrong about everything because they come from the feminine perspective. They think humans are cute and cuddly”

    Where on earth are you getting this information? You obviously do NOT know any psychologists!
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    You stated: Psychologists are abour 66.7% wrong about human nature. That is because they are 66.7% women..
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    You have no idea of Freud’s concepts as what you are stating is totally incorrect. In fact, everything you are saying is incorrect. You obviously have no conception of psychology!

    No one could be this stupid or this much of an idiot! So I must assume you are saying this crap to solicit some kind of response or attention from women because you are unable to obtain it any other way.

    Good Night John from Seattle!

    @ susan R

    Don’t waste your time or energy on this guy! He is just not worth it. Best to pay him NO attention!

    @CNN staff

    Thank you for tolerating our BS

    December 10, 2009 at 7:27 pm |
  18. John in Seattle

    Everyone questions if a crime has been committed. Why?

    _________________________

    John, women do lie.

    Susan, you ask a question, and immediately follow it with the answer.

    December 10, 2009 at 7:38 pm |
  19. John in Seattle

    I do not know why you cannot make the connections. Susan. I am truly sorry if your daughter was really raped. The problem is that you will not even consider the notion she could be lying. If she has a father, I am sure he will not consider it either. I am not criticizing this natural human behavior. I am simply saying that you have no business criticizing my objectivity or my research.

    But let me give some advice to you feminists who think we need a police state to deal with this issue: Defend yourself if you are being raped. If you can do everything a man can, do this. You do not need to be an expert in self defense. You can crush a man's throat with three fingers. If someone is raping you, do it. If you can't grab it, just hit it as hard as you can. I promise you the assault will stop immediately. Don't worry about killing him. He doesn't deserve to live.

    December 10, 2009 at 7:54 pm |
  20. Kolly Henshaw

    Just remember, it's not rape if you yell "suprise!" first

    December 15, 2009 at 5:18 pm |