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February 11th, 2010
08:56 AM ET

Guards Watch as Seattle Teen is Beaten

A 15-year-old girl says she was beaten and robbed by another teen in a Seattle bus tunnel while three unarmed security guards watched. The whole incident was caught on tape. The teen told investigators she thought she would be protected since the security guards were there. She says they just watched saying they had standing orders to “avoid confrontations or fights.”

Take a look at the video and tell us what you think.

Would you have tried to stop the fight if it meant losing your job?
soundoff (121 Responses)
  1. Frank Cranz

    I didn't even see the clip of the incidentto to make a descision.
    These security guards should be fired. Anybody with half a brain
    and "some "humane feelings would have intervened .

    February 11, 2010 at 9:16 am |
  2. Dan Nelson Lafayette,IN

    Who are the employers of these security guards? They are the people without a heart if they tell their workers to look away from someone in trouble and in need of help!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:02 am |
  3. Terry in Colorado

    Do these guards lack simple, common sense, human decency, or are jobs so hard to find at their level that they will do absolutely nothing to risk losing their paycheck? I suspect the latter.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:10 am |
  4. Deanna

    I would have absolutely stopped to help the girl if I was one of the security guards. Moral obligation and humanity have a higher priority than the guidelines of a job, especially when defying those guidelines ensures the safety and well being of another human being.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:12 am |
  5. Shane Sandborg

    Watching them stand there is rediculous. I dont care what there told they should of interviened and helped that girl. I hope there boss is fired, and they all get some legal action taken against them as well as the kids beating them. Thats just disturbing

    February 11, 2010 at 10:12 am |
  6. Dr Randy Stucki

    it is a moral obligation to stop violence when you can...if this little girl was their daughter dont you think they would have stepped in ?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:12 am |
  7. David

    I wouldn't help because i don't want to get involved. And possible lose my job. I cant get fired by following orders.So i would just watch and ask them to stop and record what i saw in a report.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:13 am |
  8. Jeffery Smith

    In all honesty I would of not intervened. Stepping in could mean they would turn their aggression on me. I'd rather be a coward and healthy, then be a hero and bloody.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:13 am |
  9. Brian Hanna

    Sorry, but to be quite honest, but if i am a security guard, it means my credentials are that good enough to get another job in the first place.

    if i knew i would get fired, i simply wouldn't do it, call me a coward all you want, but if i had a family that needed taken care of, i would just do what i was told.

    then again, no boss in there right mind would fire a guard for intervening, but that wasn't the question was it.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:13 am |
  10. Gregg in Queens NY

    At what point do we stop trying to adhere to unreasonable policy and step up as human beings and help someone in need? That teenager was severely beaten, and I blame security agencies that insist that their security employees "report" their findings instead of helping ones in need.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:14 am |
  11. Amy Simmans

    I would have absolutely tried to stop that fight even if it meant the possibility of losing my job and the guards should have to. They could have fought their job loss and the review of that policy later. What if that teenager has brain damage or internal bleeding because the fight was allowed to go on?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:14 am |
  12. Marguerite Benson

    I would have definately stopped that fight. I think the main reason why these kids continue to do this is because there isn't any responsible adults around anymore. Back in the day, a teen wouldn't have even thought about fighting in the presence of adults. Now they are doing everything from, fighting, cursing, smoking, etc. with no regard of the elders. They have no respect for authority because we didn't teach them any.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:16 am |
  13. Keisha

    i think if they have any morals they would have stopped it regardless we would do anything for our children knowing something would cost us not only our job but maybe some prison time why wouldn't you want to help someone else child wouldn't you want someone helping yours..I thought the persons watching had no heart and think that there job was more important than that childs life she could have been killed that's why children don't to much trust adults for reasons like that we are supposed to be there to protect them not allow them to get hurt like what i just saw....

    February 11, 2010 at 10:16 am |
  14. J. Miller

    As for the security guards, that job is not worth having. You can't call yourself a security guard if you don't protect people under your watch. As for the other onlookers, why did no one help? There were plenty of people around watching. You always help your fellow mankind. That video was hard to see. Under those circumstances, yes, I would have been willing to lose my job to save a life.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:17 am |
  15. Keisha

    @ Dan I was so upset in typing this and didn't read what you wrote but i totally Agree not only are the gaurds dumb but so are the employers..

    February 11, 2010 at 10:18 am |
  16. Theron

    Isn't the job of a security guard to keep the peace, so how can they be told to avoid confrontations and fights? What's the point of having security guards if they aren't going to protect people?They can at least break it up, they don't have to attack the people who are fighting. These security guards should lose their jobs and the people who gave them standing orders to avoid confrontations and fights.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:18 am |
  17. virginia

    Unbelievable How could anyone especially a security guard just stand there and not do anything! What is wrong with these people?
    The people that were there watching and not helping should be ashamed of themselves as well.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:18 am |
  18. Andrew Obot, Baltimore MD

    Asolutely Crazy!! No policy should be that inconsiderate!!! What if the girl died from her attacker's last blow? We should revisit all similar policies, and at least formulate policies with a little empathy.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:18 am |
  19. Rick Arellano

    The choices we make at work should always have some ethical gravity. Though employers disclose rules to abide by, they are meant to be broken if and when your good judgement becomes your practice. In reality, a job loss can never be as priceless as preventing extreme physical harm to a person.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:18 am |
  20. DeeDee

    There is something broken in the human race that desperately needs fixed. How could anyone just watch?
    This is a ACLU issue; the girl also asked Seattle police for help because she was fearful. What are public servant for if not to help. The illusion of service is not good enough.

    seattle resident

    February 11, 2010 at 10:19 am |
  21. Steve

    I would have stop the fight cause it was in front of my place of employment which will probably now result in a lawsuit against them because the security who was hired to to provide security did not do that. We text money to help Haitians which is nice. But just stand and watch another American (kids) get kicked in the head when down and do nothing. Amazing!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:20 am |
  22. Jim Paranzino

    I think that's a ridiculous rule for those guards to have to follow. All parties involved should be ashamed of themselves. That 15-yr old girl was completely defensless and in serious need of help from someone. When it comes to possibly saving someone's life, your job shouldn't really matter, at that moment. If the guard's boss would have fired them for intervening, they don't need to be working for someone like that anyway.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:21 am |
  23. Chris Davis

    When will we once again take responsibility for our actions? She could have lost her life. I understand that they had their orders but what if it was your little sister.

    Sometimes we as a race(human) need to stop listening to our superiors and look at what we are doing. We have brains for a reason, use it or lose it. I guess the real question is, "Are you human or robot?"

    February 11, 2010 at 10:21 am |
  24. Nicole Dulce

    I honestly think that the security guards should have done something to stop the beating. It doesn't matter that they were "following orders." I mean, they wouldn't let that happen to their daughters, would they?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:22 am |
  25. antoine nelson

    Wow... While at first glance you would be able to blame the guards Im sure there employers have told them many time under circumstances are they to stop any incident. My mother is a Security guard her self, has been for 15 years now and that is what they are taught. It just a shame that the fear of law suit stops companies from doing the right thing . We cant call the security guards bad people, because at the end of the day their training cam into play. Good people always seem to stand by and let bad things happen

    February 11, 2010 at 10:22 am |
  26. GT

    This is an outrageous "policy" and must be reversed.

    Sadly, I have seen the same situation with New York City school crossing guards and traffic-related people who are not police officers. Not an immediate assault, in that case, but a complete unwillingess to help or get involved. I was surprisingly assaulted in a NYC subway station many years ago (over a $5 bill) around lunchtime but my assailant escaped. (My assailant had rigged one of the newish subway card machines to hold money put into it rather than process it.) 4 hours later, by dumb random luck, I ended up about 1/4 of a block behind them (a group wearing the same clothing and carrying the same backpacks) in another part of NYC. When I tried to get someone who was a non-police officer doing police officer-type/traffic work to call the police for me on their radio, she refused. The whole situation was so maddening as I didn't have a mobile phone at the time and there was no public pay phone around either.

    Yesterday, I was at a major post office location in New York City and presented them with unambiguous evidence of someone fraudulently misrepresenting the USPS in an internet offer. I wanted them to send it to the USPS fraud/criminal investigations department and they insisted that I should do it and pay the postage! I was so bent out of shape that I went around the corner and spoke to the postmaster of the facility and he eventually agreed that I had a point. I was trying to do them a favor and they didn't want to get involved (until the end)!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:22 am |
  27. George Dudgeon

    Follow up sorry the victim was also black but the gang of attackers said she was acting white! (HATE CRIME)

    February 11, 2010 at 10:23 am |
  28. Ray Earnest

    Those guards who allowed that little girl to be beaten like that, literally at their feet, should be fired. There is no directive or order that covers all circumstances. Occasionally, we had to judge situations ourselfs and act accordingly.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:23 am |
  29. DuBois

    Who hired these IDIOTS ??? fire them, fire everyone who had a role in making such an insane decision "not to intervene" ... are these "security guards" or just paid on-lookers? These three "security guards" obviously don't have the common sense required to work in any public role, but evidently are only collecting a paycheck. Seattle Trans ought to seriously review the qualifications of that contracted compamy and re-bid who they select to "protect" their customers. Doesn't anyone understand the meaning of the expression "Do the Right Thing" (but then again, maybe they just don't get it, they don't know what the right thing is...)...

    February 11, 2010 at 10:24 am |
  30. Todd Julian

    Disgusting, what if that was your child or the child of the guards being beaten. What a disgrace!!! The city managers & guards that stood their should be put up on charges. Isn't their a law "Good Smartian Act" What a disgrace? How would you act watching this, if this was your child? These guards should be FIRED along with the city managers. I hope the family of this child sues the city & the guards big time.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:26 am |
  31. Brian Hanna

    "they don't need to be working for someone like that anyway."

    if that's the only job they can find, and they have a family, they better know that can't afford to lose it.

    Also, i think this is a little overblown, "someones life at stake"? really?

    it was 2 teenage girls having a slap fight, sure one was in the wrong, but it certainly wasn't life threatening. I would agree if she was getting beat up by like 5 people, but it was one other teenage girl, big deal, that happens all the time. And teenage girls and boys are going to get into fights whether supervised or not.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:26 am |
  32. Curtis Bennett

    It is disgusting to see a girl get stomped while everyone stands around. These security guards are there for "security" for what or who?

    They should be fired, their supervisors should be fired and the people that stand around and watch should be ashamed. What if it was your daughter, granddaughter, sister, etc, would you expect someone to stop it?

    When I was a young man this wouldn't have been tolerated and look at what we have become.....shame on us. Makes me sick.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:26 am |
  33. Dan

    These morons should not only be fired from their jobs, but prosecuted for accessory to a fight. They did NOTHING to help this poor girl out. They are SECURITY personnel. The poor girl getting the crap beat out of her felt no SECURITY.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:27 am |
  34. Tony

    Yes, I would have stopped the fight even if it meant losing my job. There"s no need for any adult in this country to standby and watch or let any teen fight. I think adults in America need to step-up to the plate and let kids/teens know that foolish behavior will not be tolerated in there presence.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:29 am |
  35. John

    Damn right I would have stopped it. Made me so mad when I saw it I wish I could have reached out and grabbed the guy myself. Those so-called "security guards" are a disgrace. They should be fired and if someone issued orders to them not to intervene in situations like these, then they should be fired too.

    "Security Guards"...hah..that's a bunch of BS. They should hang their heads in shame.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:33 am |
  36. Bruce in Germany

    I'm horrified every time I see that video. I absolutely would intervene whether I could lose my job or not. I'm guessing that if I was on that video helping out and breaking up the fight – I would lose my job, but I would probably get a bunch of job offers for better jobs because I'm not afraid to stand up and do the right thing.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:33 am |
  37. Amanda

    I couldn't believe what I saw when I first watched the video it was completely disgusting. Who made up these rules anyways. Aren't securtiy guards purpose to protect the area? I guess not. I would have done something about it who cares if they fire me. Who could be proud of their job if you just watch teenagers beat up on each other. That is a great dinner convo!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:35 am |
  38. Dan H

    Before I retired I was a licensed security officer in Texas and California. California Card Card allows you "power to arrest" and Texas orders are to observe and report. Security is to protect people and property. In Washington security I would have protected the 15 year girl then resigned.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:40 am |
  39. Sonja

    This is an example of our "cover your back" society. Teachers go through the same thing...not allowed to break up a fight for fear of what could happen. At what point do we intervene? How about when someone is bashing in another person's head with her foot? Are you kidding me? Forget the obligations of being a security guard - how about the obligations of being a human being? What about the bystanders? This sickens me.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:42 am |
  40. Chris

    If they were only "doing their jobs," they would have intervened. They have the name "Security Guard" for a reason...

    February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  41. stephen

    The question is framed incorrectly–what a surprise. This is not "breaking up a fight". This is attempting to prevent one individual from being beaten by others. The security guards present and their employer should be ashamed of themselves.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  42. Kevin

    My response to Jeffery, for not stepping in. There is an even worse evil in this world, and that is the indifference of good men.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  43. Matt

    I would rather get fired then watch some poor girl get beat beacuse I couldnt stop it.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  44. LaTia S. Wright

    I do not have a job now but there is a threshold that you just do not cross when it comes to doing what is humanly right. I would have tried to stop the fight becuase I believe it is the right thing to do and I have children that age.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:48 am |
  45. Dawn Forsythe

    It is painful to watch that video. The transit director is right to pledge to change the policy. Transit, police, and community need to come together to establish a policy that will prevent future crimes.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:49 am |
  46. Michael

    Of course I would've stepped in, whats the point in being a security "guard" if you just observe. That's like being a cop and watching a robbery and not being allowed to do anything... There's realy no point to that at all.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:49 am |
  47. Joe

    Fire the guards for lack of moral courage and doing what is right...and fire the people responsible for the guidelines given the guards for total absence of a socially-responsible thought process.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:49 am |
  48. Lauri

    There is a law that states if you do nothing and stand by and watch a person have a crime commited to them and that crime results in injury the third person is also commiting a crime. I'm not sure how this works or if it's state by state. I think it should be a crime to do nothing. What cowards. I would gladly give up such a job that required so little of me.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:49 am |
  49. karen

    My daughter went though the same type of beating here in calif and the guards here did notthing but watched. my daughter had two broken rids.

    I would of did something even if this had never happened to my daughter!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  50. Mike B.

    I AM a security guard and no matter what company rules or policies said I would NOT stand by and watch a young girl get beaten! How can these men sleep at night? What would they say or do if the same thing happened to their daughter?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  51. Jim Blaney (FL)

    Why have we gotten to this point where human life is so insignificant that we would worry about losing our job rather than save a life? Security Guard is defined as someone who protects property, assests and people in Wikipedia. How come people comes last?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  52. Sheila Macpherson

    We cannot call ourselves civil if, especially based on policy, we stand by while another person is getting kicked in the head and stomped on. There should be some situations where we don't weigh personal interests, but act instead. This was one of them.

    America needs to rethink its self-preservation based values.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  53. Jeremy

    Wouldn't those security guards have been accessories to murder if that girl was beaten to death? People think they can fight like the movies and not cause damage that could cause death. I believe there should be more strict laws on fighting. A fight can quickly turn into a murder ACCIDENTLY. Fire Fire Fire those morons for NOT stepping in.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  54. Paul Piwonka

    I wonder what these cowards would have done if it was their child, probably nothing. Change the rules fire them

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
  55. Justin

    Our country has become a spinelss version of ourselves. If our freedom from the British was determined by the current state of mind, or lack of courage of todays individuals we would still be under British rule. Job or no job do the right thing, help someone in need. I wouldn't have a job today had that happened in front of me.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:51 am |
  56. Scott Cone

    That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen! I can't believe that those guards just stood there and watched that beating! Everyone associated with that instance should be arrested and charged with assault including the guards! Where is HUMANITY?
    That was just SICKENING!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:51 am |
  57. iyen

    What goes around comes around,definately those guards have kids,what if somebody watch their kids been beating up? they would never be happy,so from my own point of view,those guards gat to be fired,the person or people who pass the law most definately be fired as well.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:51 am |
  58. Carlos

    Appalling. I highly doubt anyone would be fired for potentially saving someone's life. What if the girl had been dealt a lethal blow to the head? Any of the bystanders should have shared the responsibility. I'm willing to bet that if someone had shouted at the girls to stop or even shouted police, that would have at least gotten their attention and maybe stopped the beating sooner.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:51 am |
  59. Chris Brooks

    If we do not stop to help those in need we lose a bit of our humanity... Having said that there are many different motivations. I am no judge but anyone who saw this should have gotten involved the onus is not
    just the security guards alone, onlookers are just as responsible. Very easy to look at a security guard and pass the buck, what happened to doing the right thing at the right time. See what happens when everyone fails to act. We are all to blame for failure to act.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:51 am |
  60. Claudine

    Yes I would have stop the fight, with if the 15 year girl was there child.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  61. Joseph Arbo

    This is not something that happens in just Seattle last summer I whitnessed from the 7th floor as I was shouting to the doormen and a street full of people here on West 106th Street to stop the man from attacking a woman and they let him just walk away before I could get to the ground floor and look for him. The response was they thought it was a domestic dispute. I just saw Shindler's List again and guess what people this is how the Nazis took over in Germany. I would stop it it is my business if it happens in my eyesight and action is the Human thing to do inaction is the animal thing to do.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  62. Darrin

    They should be fired from the human race if they can just stand there while another human is being beaten and kicked in the face. Whats wrong with people today?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  63. Mark M.

    Maybe the Company should look at Washington State Laws relating to Security Guards.

    For God's sake get in between them at least ! 3 Guards could have made themselves a wallto protect her and taken NO offensive actions.

    I would fire my employees for actions such as that.


    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  64. Shane

    So far, since October 09, 7 police have been killed in Western Washington. These guys are just security guards without guns, clubs or even pepper spray. I would imagine that people willing to beat someone down in the street have very little regard for authority. These guards would likely have been attacked by a larger group had they stepped in.

    If you look at these security guards, they look afraid to step in and I don't blame them. I am sure they don't learn how to handle large group engagement tactics during the 4 hour security class they are given before getting their security badge... or iron on patch.

    Being told to observe instead of step in helps keep these guys alive.

    Having said that, as a private citizen and depending on the situation, I personally would have knocked the girl out with a quickness. But then again, I am not a security guard.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  65. Scott from Philly

    Sad, Sad, Sad.....Doesn't humanity take precedence over any corporate policy? If I saw something like this going down my natural instinct would be to help. As a human being how could anyone just stand by and watch? Not just the guards but everyone in the area.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  66. Joseph Marrero

    that is the problem in america today the idea is that they are not to get involved in violant confrontations , what are they payed for ? just to look good, people hide behind rules when it is convient and complain when it is not , these guards should be fired. to protect and to serve not to watch and observe is the rule, there were at least 3 guards and not only did they not help but they didnt call for help either, doesnt that make them liable as well just for being there, that makes them an acessory to the fact, it is just rediculous we even have to entertain the idea of right and wrong in this case PLEASE.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  67. Cindy

    It is not only a moral issue, but to stand by and watch a crime being committed is breaking the law. What have we become?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:53 am |
  68. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    This teen could have been beaten to death and charges could be brought against these guards who stood by and watched. If a teen had been assaulting one of the guards, I'm sure the fellow guards would have interferred to assist.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:53 am |
  69. Tina

    Why bother to have security guards if they aren't going to provide any real security. What if it had been a terrorist situation. I can't believe they allowed that girl to be beaten like that. After viewing this clip, I will never visit that city and I will never trust "security" guards again. If I had been there, I would have broken up this attack myself.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:53 am |
  70. Joe

    Even If you were just to monitor the situations ... at some point the security guards needed to step in and break up the fight. Stand by and watching a someone kick another in the head over and over is not humane. This just makes me SICK!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:54 am |
  71. Mark

    The guards should be fired and their bosses sued. The girl who did the beating should be thrown in jail for aggravated assault, no matter her age. The whole scene was disgusting, and if 'security' is not going to secure the place, then just make it a'll take someone getting killed for people to actually take this seriously.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:55 am |
  72. Cookie in FL

    Yes I would have intervine in the altercation between the 2 woman Only because they were young.. I think that policy is meant for adults and should stay as is.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:55 am |
  73. Freddy from Atlantic City

    You should let the security guards boss view the footage and ask him on the air,what he would have done in that situation?

    February 11, 2010 at 10:55 am |
  74. jigar patel

    At some point your moral conscious has to over-weigh any material compensation you receive and you must stand up for what is the right action to take no matter what the consequence's are.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:56 am |
  75. Nelson Bennett

    Anyone with a moral center would have intervened. The inaction of the security guards is MORE disturbing to me than the actual attack. The lack of conscience and character displayed by these guards is exactly what should disqualify them from being in a position to protect or defend anyone. Their inaction is horrifying and betrays the larger ills of our society, such as insensitivity to cruelty and the suffering of others.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:57 am |
  76. Do'Marcus Davis (please use D. Davis)

    I have been and trained security in Maryland and Virginia for 10 years. I've never know where a state would not allow an officer armed or unarmed to not protect both themselves or another from bodily harm. I'd hate to think that a grown man could attack an elderly woman the same way and nothing be done.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:57 am |
  77. Amon Bennett

    This video made me sick to my stomach. Not only should the guards be fired, charges should be brought against them for aiding in the assault by their lack of action. Anyone who was in the vicinity, the video should be charged. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS????? WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR SOCIETY? I would like to know if charges are being brought against the assailant. They looked like girls. And the fact that that one girl was on the ground, not moving, while the other girl repeatedly stomped on her head is horrific. WHILE THE GUARDS STOOD THERE AND WATCHES, as well as the other spectators. This sort of thing confirms our society is headed in the wrong direction when kids, and adults, lack the social skills necessary to intervene or remedy a dispute without resorting to violence. SHAME on our society. SICK!!!!

    February 11, 2010 at 10:57 am |
  78. alex

    What does that tell of the Character from a Person to stand there and watch somebody getting hurt.Job or not Job.Your are a human been.I hope my kids never be around these Security Guards. I would defenetly haunt them down.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:58 am |
  79. Ricky W.

    This is simply a manifestation of how separated we have become as a people. Basic human emotions are waning if not completely eroded. In short, I would have stopped the fight. I'm okay with getting the boot. I'm not okay with watching someone take one to the face.

    February 11, 2010 at 10:59 am |
  80. kris

    If anyone actually believes security guards are there to do anything, you are sadly mistaken, I can tell you from working security. the first priority of a security guard is VISIBILITY. and to observe and report. and deter crime. almost all security companies have a hands off policy. it is to prevent law suits. they want to keep thier hands clean. I would also be willing to bet those guards we not armed. and I don't mean a fire arm. because you can't just go pulling a fire arm on a fist fight. I mean less than lethal weapons. security is a joke in most case, it is there to make you feel better. but in all reality, you are no safer.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:02 am |
  81. David

    At what point did we start blaming the security guard and excusing the bad conduct of the teenager? The guards were simply following their standard operating procedures which are signed off on by the client that hires them. These procedures were based on best practices that were dreamed up by some corporate lawyer sitting in a chair behind his desk. So many people to blame yet we are trying to place the blame on the guard who must to decide what they will do when the time comes. The guard followed the orders of people who think they know best and trained the guard to that standard. Who will step up and take their share of the blame?

    February 11, 2010 at 11:04 am |
  82. Jackie

    Becoming physically involved is an issue that teachers and schools face too. Children who engage in fights, or are victims, run the risk of serious harm, but the adults who are responsible for their safety don't have the ability to stop the fight because of the possible threat of being sued or fired. There is something seriously wrong with this system.

    I personally would have stopped the fight. It is scary how many communities are sitting back and watching criminal acts without protest. Yes, you run the risk of being hurt but what about the risk of doing nothing at all.

    "It takes a community to raise a child."

    February 11, 2010 at 11:07 am |
  83. Tommy Melendez

    Good morning Fredricka.

    I believe a system that places security guard in a position not to assist is no longer a job but a bystander. I've been in situations where I have to to the aid of an individual. I have and will always assist anyone in need of help. It was senseless to watch this video and not see any help from other bystanders. What are we saying about our society.


    Tommy Melendez

    February 11, 2010 at 11:08 am |
  84. Drew

    These "guards" should be charged as accomplices. The beating simply couldn't have happened without their lack of intervention. No person is above legal fallout because they are "following orders". This also means that the persons giving orders to stand by should have legal concerns as well.

    This is like asking an EMT to not treat someone because there is a chance they might contract a disease. Some jobs simply come with risk – mine included.

    And @Brian – yes, a slap fight doesn't sound like that big of a deal. Kicking someone's head on the ground however can easily cause concussions and/or hematomas, and can be LETHAL. People can be beaten to death in a few seconds, yet it takes police several minutes to respond. This means that security – within arm's reach no less – is the only adequate resource for protection. Aslo, just ask anyone in South Chicago how small fights can escalate without intervention.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:08 am |
  85. Nick

    The employers of the security guard should be blamed for placeing the fear in the minds of the guards of loosing their jobs. they have a family to feed and no tools to protect the people they serve (no vest, OC spray or taser). Remenber that they will be fired, they still have to protect their family and home.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:09 am |
  86. Joan Graves

    Security Guards are paid very low wages, $8 to $8.50 in lots of states.. If you are supporting a family, you follow your company rules. If you are fired from a security job, you lose your job and will not get another in the security field. If you are hurt or killed the company will not pay anything to your family, because you did not follow the rules. Most security guards do not carry guns, or any kind of protection. I think the guards did everything they could do. They called the police, who are trained and paid to handly this kind of job.
    When companies and people want to pay living wages to guards , pay for police training for guards, and pay for the courts to send these kid to real time in jail. We should be greatful that the guards call the police, the bystanders just looked, at least the security guards tried.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:10 am |
  87. Peace

    You all can sit and play this ring around the rosie game with Americans. You all know the truth and you will continue to act as if you don't or manipulate until you confuse people and scare them... that is sorely evident . Keep over looking the issues and America will fall. The little people work these jobs and build companies up. You say jobs jobs jobs-but they don't truly Pay Pay Pay. Why is America Scared

    February 11, 2010 at 11:10 am |
  88. Karen Adams

    Wow!! I find it amazing that not one woman (so far of the ones that I've been able to read) in any of these comments said that she wouldn't have helped. This may be the reason why so many women find themselves in prison because they had to kill their husbands for being cowards and not protecting THEM. My husband is military fighting a war overseas, but these cowards on video and these cowards commenting can't save a little girl. Pathetic!!!!

    February 11, 2010 at 11:12 am |
  89. Karen Adams

    Wow!! I find it amazing that not one woman (so far of the ones that I've been able to read) in any of these comments said that she wouldn't have helped. This may be the reason why so many women find themselves in prison because they had to kill their husbands for being cowards and not protecting THEM. My husband is military fighting a war overseas, but these cowards on video and these cowards commenting can't save a little girl. Pathetic!!!!

    February 11, 2010 at 11:14 am |
  90. Flecia Martin

    I agree the guards should be fired. What are you guarding that is more important than human life? They should be charged and sued for giving the teen a false since of security.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:16 am |
  91. Nathan

    Having been a security guard I know just how convoluted protocol can be for just about any situation that concerns acts of crime that involve people. The security industry will always default to the "Observe and Report" motto because it is the safest action lawyers have come up with to avoid hostile litigation.

    That said, I most certainly would come to the aid of a teen (or anyone for that matter) being attacked, it's ridiculous to say a guard would be fired for doing so in the first place. I guarantee you that statement is a preventative measure by the guards' employer. Had the guards come to the teenager's aid this publicity would have rectified their actions.

    On a personal note I wouldn't be watching over any mass transit post without a means of defense, non-lethal preferably.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:17 am |
  92. Dr Randy Stucki

    what has our society turned into ? who stands by while one human beats another ....the security guards could have at least yelled at the girl beating the other to stop...

    February 11, 2010 at 11:19 am |
  93. Cris

    I would have ran at them yelling loudly telling them to get away, and shielded the girl with my own body to protect her from further harm. If the kids started attacking ME, then my response would be in self defense. The three security guards were so lax in how they approached the battering teens, it was almost like they didn't care. I wonder if that was one of their daughters, would they have wanted the security personnel to react the same way as they did? I doubt it. Even if they were told "avoid confrontations or fights", they should have definitely taken a lot more aggressive approach to protect the girl, by doing something like I suggested above. Instead, they stood there, like milktoasts, allowing the beating to continue. I think they are just as guilty as the teens. Their job is to keep the area secure. Because this was their assigned duty, they should be held to a higher level of accountability. That is why I think they should all be held accountable as accomplices to the crime – because they all were fully aware that the kids were going to commit a crime in battering the girl, and by their blatant LACK of action, the end result was that they helped the crime to succeed . Who needs to fear “terrorism” when we let this kind of thing go on right in front of our faces and do NOTHING…… This is a disgrace.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:23 am |
  94. Brian

    I would have definitely stopped this fight! To those who say they wouldn't intervene because they wouldn't want the fight turned on them. . .1) it is one GIRL (no offense ladies) and 2) just imagine if that were your son/ daughter, wouldn't you want somebody to step in, especially "security" guards, to help you kid so that they wouldn't have their face kicked in by some punk teen over something so petty that its not even worth mentioning!!!

    February 11, 2010 at 11:23 am |
  95. fttonl

    After viewing this video. There were several adults standing around watching this happen, not just the security guards. This is another failure of society. So stop all the outrage, most of you making all the noise wouldn't have done nothin. It was more than the two girls there for the fight. Two of the Security Guards moved away form the incident as to not be in the line of fire. There were at least 7 or 8 people there with the attacker. Most didn't get involved, but by their posture and boldness they would have if it hadn't gone so well in their favor. At least one security guard seems at to be asking the attacker to STOP. But he didn't get physically involved, and that may have been a good thing. Especially if he felt he couldn't handle himself well enough in that situation...

    February 11, 2010 at 11:25 am |
  96. Sohel

    Being as a Security Guard I wouldn't get involved. Just record the information. We are told by the company that we have to be calm, observe & report only. Some people may think then whats the point of having security guards there? Well, security is not a police officer...even i have seen in many occation police don't even get involved until they are told to or have back up. We, as a security guard...what do we have? No one to back us up if we loose our jobs. These security guys work right by a major street...what if the other party u stopped the fight with brings their crew with gun and shoot you while you are drivng? You have your family to feed, rent to pay, others bills are due....come on now, there is no Job Security in Security Business. All I want to do my 8 hours and go home safe.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:27 am |
  97. Glenn

    Where do I begin? The sheer disgust and rage I felt watching the video of the child being assaulted while security guards stood idly by can not be adequately conveyed in words. I would hope that if my child were in danger, someone would come to his aid. I wonder, would those same security guards have stood idly by and watched as a child were abducted, murdered...where's their line? I wonder what the security guards would have to say to the parents of the child who was attacked? Would they be happy if the same thing were to happen to their children? "Sorry sir/ma'am, I couldn't save your child because directives clearly state that I'm prohibited from involving myself...I did however take careful notes."

    February 11, 2010 at 11:29 am |
  98. Shalee

    There is something inherently wrong with the mindset of humanity today. Since when do people need permission to help others in dire need? Policy or no policy, something should have been done to stop the fight, be it the guards or any of the bystanders. And what exactly IS the reason for having guards if not to protect or serve those in needs?

    I'm pretty sure that I, as a 5'2" petite woman, would have stepped into do something – anything. It's not in my being to watch as someone else is attacked, especially to such a degree. What a shame that three taller, larger men don't have the same kind of strength to do the right thing.

    Secondly, the assailant should have been detained for charges to be filed. As far as I know, it is still against the law to beat another person senseless. The guards had ample opportunity to do so since the attacker came back to the defenseless victim to kick her as she lay curled on the ground.

    Sadly, I cannot say that I am surprised by the inactions of everyone at the scene since we are surrounded by the insanity of being “politically correct” in all things. If we are to survive as a civil nation, we need to break the assumed instructions “not to make waves”, “not to get involved”, “not to make judgment” or “not to interfere” simply because something is not “our” problem. We’re only fooling ourselves if we truly think along these lines because with societal “rules” as such, it IS our problem in the long run.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:37 am |
  99. Karen Adams

    Please allow me to just applaud each and every man and woman who posted that they would help. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! That 15-year old girl was someone's daughter, granddaughter, sister, friend, and student, who has people who really care about her life. The security guards on that platform, and the men here who posted that they wouldn't help because they have family members at home needing them and wanting to keep their jobs. They should be on their knees praying every night hoping that this will never, ever, happen to their kids when they aren't around to protect them, and someone takes the casual approach of "don't get involved". It's no question that their thoughts would quickly change if they saw their child laying in the hospital having suffered an attack that could have been prevented if security guards were within inches of their helping their child. They'd be the first ones lawyering up looking to sue every person on that platform that didn't help because it's evidenced that work (which is money) is very important to them.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:44 am |
  100. John Alafonso

    Those "guards" can not call themselves men. It is our duty to protect the weak and defenseless from harm. The guards should be charged with aiding a felon in the committing a crime against this victim.

    Shame on the guards and shame on the persons standing around watching this shameful action.

    I hope that the perpetrator is tried and committed to a penal facility for a long time. May she find freedom when the victim finds peace of mind. This kind of crime continues to haunt victims for life.

    February 11, 2010 at 11:44 am |
  101. kal

    The owners of those companies plus the guards should be prosecuted if there is a law permitting that and most importantly their goods and services ought to be boycotted by americans en mass.The companies are not worth spending my dime on

    February 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
  102. Liz

    What ! WHAT !!!! Are you freaking kidding me! I hope some lawyer is right on top of this one and sues anyone remotely associated with the security company and the bus terminal and the city of Seattle and the State of Washington into the next century. How can any decent human being stand there and watch that and let it go on. My worst fears about so-called security persons have just been confirmed.

    February 11, 2010 at 12:44 pm |
  103. Don

    A very good reason for the security personnel to not have intervened is the lesson learned by my son when he was a security guard for a bar.
    As a fight between drunks broke out, and a small man was being beaten savagely by a larger man, my son separated them, and pinned the aggresor to the ground. He was still astride him when the police arrived. My son was charged for aggravated assault upon the testimony of friends of the aggressor, and his legal defense cost me over $13,000.00.

    February 11, 2010 at 3:55 pm |
  104. George

    Reading some of these comments makes me embarrassed to be a man. Most of the posts stating how they too, would not have intervened were posted by so called men(you rock girls). Different reasons were given, such as the possibility of losing their job or fearful of some sort of lawsuit, that’s just a cop out. Police are great, but they can’t be every where at one time. We as humans need to look out for one another. You can always get another job. Besides I wouldn’t want to work for a place that would expect me to stand and watch someone get beat to death.

    February 11, 2010 at 5:42 pm |
  105. Deanne

    No one has mentioned yet that the entire circle here is about MONEY! The guards are not there for OUR security, but for the security of the almighty dollar. I will bet anyone one million dollars, that if the 15 year old aggressor had not paid her "fare" to the transit company, the guards would have detained her until police arrived. Since the security company can see no MONEY potential in a fight, their employees are told to observe and report only. But get some MONEY involved (by not paying a fare) and I can guarantee you they would "taken ACTION".

    And by the way, can you imagine how many job offers from all over the world these guys would have had right now if they had assisted and gotten fired?

    February 11, 2010 at 5:51 pm |
  106. ted

    Security guards in this case, it is sad to say, did what they could do. If one of the thugs pulled a knife or gun or even punched them, their employer would fire them and not cover their insurance or funeral bills. They probably don't even have the training or tools to stop such an incident. These guys are on the lowest rung of the security totem pole. As such, they are probably cheap labor so they were probably employed by the lowest bidding company. That is a lot of speculation though. If you have an armed officer (even with spray or a baton), you need to provide more training, pay, and insurance. so higher cost. Even police who use force in appropriate situations get sued, fired, sanctioned, etc. A citizen not in uniform would have offered her more protection then the guards who were bound by the rules of their employer. They were in a catch 22. Say they did stop the assault and one of the thugs sued? Who would help them in court? Even if they were found innocent, legal costs would cripple them. Being out of work for the court would lead to firing at the least. Sad.

    February 11, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
  107. Anane Olatunji

    Far more disturbing than the savage-like behavior of those children is the uncivilized and inhumane response of the "security guards," their employers, and local officials who through their inaction not only enable such behavior but sanction it!

    What message does the response of the adults send to our children???

    February 12, 2010 at 8:10 am |
  108. Kelvin

    I agree with Don that is the reality of the civilization we now leave in. You all have seen the crazy reason people have been sued or lost their job doing the "right" thing. It's easy to say what the guards should have done when you are in no way affected by it. If these guards got fired and lost their jobs which one of you would help them pay their mortgage! Personally I would have intervened and I'm sure my wife would give me hell when I came home an unemployed "hero".

    February 12, 2010 at 8:16 am |
  109. Ryan

    Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to defend this girl?

    February 12, 2010 at 9:47 am |
  110. OttoV

    I thought California was the only state that was 100% pro criminal regarding security guards. So at least they have competition as to which is the lousiest state regarding security. A Security Officer is nothing but a tattle tale and the uniform is misleading. It is illegal to protect private property that is being stolen, only use a fire arm if you are shot at and missed. A security guard is not allowed to draw his weapon or place his hand on a gun if confronted by a dangerous criminal. This is all under an inept and outdated Consumer Affairs who don't realize there are dangerous criminals harming innocent people. I say this as a security guard. I would have quit my job on the spot as a citizen has more rights to stop crime than a guard. This is so ridiculous. Apparently the Legislatures in both states have to be voted out of office and the entire system needs to be reformed.

    February 12, 2010 at 10:53 am |
  111. John Babitskas

    Hey Guys, Security guards are not cops. They make at best 10.00 bucks an hour. They are not trained to intervene. Most are retired or not in the best of health. If you want more cops on the beat, PAYUP. I used to work for a security guard company and believe me, they are not in most cases, Cop Quality.

    February 12, 2010 at 12:29 pm |
  112. Craig Billingsley

    The girl thought she would be protected by the security personnel. What part then does the Transit Authority does not understand about the meaning of 'security'. This is fraud, and the Transit Authority is liable regardless of their rules for the Transit Security. She was robbed and beaten before their presence. She should sue and get compensated for her injuries and loss of her possession.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:03 pm |
  113. Craig Billingsley

    The word "security" is a joke. I know, I used to work for security company to watch over a car lot. I had no arms, but acted as a witness. Paid very little. Security implies protection, period. No one should use this word to describe the job. It is fraud and a joke. Teenagers know this.

    February 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm |
  114. Eugene

    Any decent person, whether they call themselves security guards or not, would have intervened to stop such a brutal attack. No job is worth seeing another person potentially beaten to death if you can stop it. I could not beleive what I was watching.

    February 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm |
  115. Eleanor

    I have been crying since I saw this yesterday on our News Station in DFW area. I am still crying as I type. Someone, Security, other people and even other teens should have STOP this after she was stomped unmerciful!!! I am a mother and I cry for that mother and the mother who that was her daughter doing the kicking. Lord Jesus, help our sin sick world. Where is the heart of humans? We do not value life anywhere or with anybody. I have stopped fights in my neigborhood of young men when my son was a teenager. I did not stop and think what could have happen to me. I could not just watch as other were watching and if I was there, I would have did the same thing. What if that was your daughter, grand daughter, sister or friend.

    February 13, 2010 at 9:01 am |
  116. Kristee Jo

    I think that it's sad and disgusting that no one helped this poor girl. These guards are trained to watch and report becuase they are not armed, but neither was the attacker and they were not putting themselves in harms way to help this girl. I also find it repulsive that there are so many onlookers, why are they excused from doing what's right? That's really what this comes down to after all.

    February 13, 2010 at 3:23 pm |
  117. lizze

    why would those security guards stop and stare how stupid can they get!??? and if i were there i would break it up before she fell on the floor

    February 13, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
  118. Michael R. Kidd

    Those three security people could be so brain washed by government, rules, laws and regulations that human beings made up. maybe they were scared, scared that if they attempt to stop that fight, they could harm or be kill by the people around them . I feel We must go out of our comfort zones in life as human beings and do what is right. If I was there I would have tryed to stop the fighting and went on with my job. we human beings made jobs, money... we are always more important.... the risk of attempting to stop that fight could cost me my life from an unexpected person around me, but I would have taken that risk to save that girl from being stomped on. I would have risked my life and job. I see all these comments above how mad you are about this, but dont be blinded by anger. Sometimes in life we must go beyond systems of rules, but with that in mind you must be responsible of your doings. I don t know all the details in this incident. but looking at it. give me the names and location of the guards.

    February 13, 2010 at 6:32 pm |
  119. simply wootie

    I think it a shame that those secerity gards just let that happend and it a shame that the 1st officers that was asked to help at the shopping mall should have done just that or at least see what was goin on with the girl, see why she 's asking for help the frist thing the polices say is to let the law handle disputes,but when you come to them for help even if you were an abused or in a life threating situation they will ask or want to see proof, when you are someone you loves is killed because thats the only proof they seems to understand!! sad and shameful. All I've seen from polices is negelect to the citizens because all they seems to do is kill, never a knee shot even if the person has a knife not close to them but just a rise of the arm and they are dead!! WOW!! look at our furture

    February 16, 2010 at 12:45 am |
  120. DeeDee Hatcher

    I think that each of the security guards should feel deeply ashamed of themselves. They each acted in a cowardly way and certainly acted inhumanly. The agency that is responsible should be run out of business. They offer absolutely zero security! People would be better off without them. Prior to seeing the tape I would have thought that I was safer with security available, but very sadly, I would have been wrong, and that could pose a deadly mistake in judgement.

    February 17, 2010 at 10:20 am |
  121. Vincent J

    wow...easy for everyone to be arm chair quarter backs after the fact. 1. the security company has a contract w/the county or the city. the blame should go towards the city for such a contract in the first place. 2. how many of you have actually been in harms way? you don't know if the people attacking are armed. as a citizen, my responsibilities are to myself and my family. the last thing i want is to get into a fight on the streets and possibly getting seriously hurt or worse. 3. i worked at a school that had a policy of observe and prevent others from joining in. in this economy...consider your actions...should they loose their jobs...then what. i live in Seattle...the true story to all of this is that that girl does have a history of doing the same toward others. she was involve in beating up an older lady while walking the streets. i do not wish such karma on a person. don't get me wrong...teenagers scare me...i don't trust them at matter what the race.

    February 21, 2010 at 3:11 am |