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October 4th, 2013
04:56 PM ET
Tea Party: End Shutdown
Don Lemon talks to Don Adams, co-founder of the Independence Hall Tea Party, about ending the government shutdown. Adams contends that President Obama refuses to negotiate on implementing Obamacare.
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I am a 70 year old woman who has had the blessing of living in these United States and enjoying its freedoms for my entire life. Mr. Cruz and his associates continue to disrespect the President and the citizens of our wonderful country. If these individuals were from another nation, they would be declared terrorists and would be arrested for holding the citizens of the United States hostage and threatening our way of life and our credibility in the world. In my opinion they ARE terrorists and should be treated as such. Enough is enough.
Fairness to all Americans is what Republicans are looking to change in Obama care! May be they need to explain what fairness means as what I hear in that message is like wolf wanting to be the guard for herd of sheeps. Fairness for who? Surely it does not sound like to less fortunates.
Furloughed worker will be paid for time off but businesses and private sector employees who depended on those sales can pay the ultimate price by loosing homes and businesses. Does it not make a commoner sick ?
never should have been shutdown in the first place.......need this country back in full operation.....somebody's antennas is not working......their about to fall and hurt themselves.....this was a wrong move....a sign of inexperience......someone who don't know what they are suppose to DO!
Can someone explain to me why President Obama and members of Congress should not have to participate in The Affordable Care Act? I've always been a supporter of Obama but it doesn't sound fair that they should be excluded.
I recently sent in an email and voiced my opinion about how well our Government is and how they are all acting. I would not mind voicing my opinion verbally to the public and maybe iff everyone hears it then the Government may listen to the needs of the people and stop this childish bickering. Our allies are afraid that if we act like children, then how can we protect ourselves and them? I think that the people should take back the Government and rebuild it the way it should be. All they carre about is money. I am tired of paying their six figure salary. I am working two jobs just to put food on the table and make ends meet.
Who the heck is this guy? CONTINUE A REAL SHUTDOWN not a fake one! Make no mistake that this shutdown is solely the result of the actions of one Barack Hussein Obama, who has even been vindictive enough to shut an unattended memorial for WWII vets (basically a sidewalk), the Statue of Liberty, and our national parks.
The GOP has passed seven bills to get government re-opened. Obama has ordered them killed and shutdown extended. And he's vindictively been closing things that are high profile but do not cost money.. like oceans and memorials.
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
Believe us, if this really were the work of the REAL ‘teaparty’ as they are charging, we would have shut down (for good!) the IRS, the Federal Reserve, the Dept of Ed, EPA, HUD, DOT, DHS, FBI, CIA and any number of other non-essential agencies that rob our freedoms daily!
All Obama has to do is negotiate. I agree it's something he's not used to doing.
These Republicans are so dense. They are too consumed with hatred of Obama they have lost the ability to reason. They keep repeating the same talking points as if they are can't understand English. They simply refuse to accept the fact Obamacare is now law and holding the country hostage over it by trying to get him to repeal or delay it is not the way to go. These people are dense with ignorance and hollow of intelligence. Let them dig their own graves with stupidly.
The forum for discussing the ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) is not during the budget approval to keep the government open. I total disagree with the House Republicans on this maneuver. They do not care about all those affected from this. And, it should have been a discussion when it was to be enacted as law.
The Tea Party isn't offering *anything* in his effort to 'negotiate' other than the fact that they'll stop damaging the economy if Obama gives in to their demands. They aren't offering negotiations on the millionaire tax, or better funding for public education, or any other issue which is championed by Democrats.
The *only* thing they want to offer in these 'negotiations' is that they'll allow 800,000 people to go back to work if Obama agrees to their demands. It is LITERALLY nothing more than an attempt at extortion and has nothing to do with any kind of actual 'negotiation'.
So its pretty obvious why Obama isn't willing to get into that discussion – its because its extortion pure and simple, and that kind of behavior is not something anyone with any leadership skills should encourage (which is why Speaker Boehner and his lack of leadership skills is in the position he's in).
Of course CNN and the rest of the Obama News organizations will not address why Congress and the President are exempt from this "great" program. It's the same old liberal progressive arguement...do as I say..not as I do. They can keep the bloated gov't shutdown for a year....I'm getting paid.
The Problem for the last six years is that the Republican Party is a party of SORE LOSERS. They lost two elections and
think that they make the Democrats look bad by not cooperating for the good of the country. But the American people
see through their childishness and are angry that they are not working for us to solve problems.
Okay, so they are concrened about the "Little" people. Can we get the same tax breaks as the 1% and businesses if they want to treat us the same. I guess now that the debt ceiling is getting closer they are talikng about "entitlement"reform, again they are helping the little person. Notice no mention about tax reform for those corporations and 1% er's.
The reason for the branches of government not participating in Obamacare is that the federal government's entitlement/benefit programs all already exceed the minimum requirements of Obamacare. Most federal employees are in the equivalent of a single-payer system- one that reduces cost and spreads risk even more effectively than the affordable health care act plans to do. They can exempt themselves based on the terms of the law. They are trying to raise the rest of the US up to a standard of health care, still below that of the federal employees. So in essence, by exempting themselves, they are making a conscious choice to improve the lot of average americans. If they followed the terms of the law, and made everyone on the same level, the country would be phenomenally worse off.
Before making a comment that "They're too good" for Obamacare, its more like Obamacare does not go far enough for the average American. They can exempt themselves, for they already meet the requirements of the law. Technically speaking, so does a vast majority of the country, and this law really only affects a small amount of the population, but one that is a gigantic drag on our economy and on health care prices for all citizens.
When I review these comments and a question was raised who is this guy in regards to the President of the United States, the Honorable, Barack Hussein Obama, my response is he is the leader of the free world. The real issue is who is the Tea Party? But a small fraction of the Republican Party who thinks they speak for the people of the United States. They do not The President ran and was re-elected in part to the Affordable Care Act (i.e., Obama Care) for those who do not know. This is a good law for all who need health care. If the President were to ask my opinion I would advise him to ask The Republican Party for a 20% increase in Corp Tax to offset concession of the Affordable Care Act. The GOP passing seven bills they like is not getting the government re-opened. I support Obama no agreeing with and killing the bill as you stated. The Republican Party not the President is extending the shutdown.
Obama and Congress are not exempt from the ACA. The same rules(no insurance caps, no preexisting conditions, etc. are in effect). They, like everyone else who can get health insurance at a (relatively) affordable rate don't buy it on the exchanges. The Affordable Health Care Act is to help lower income and middle income people UNABLE to purchase health care anywhere else do so with protections and subsidies. 16% of the US population is uninsured and it is these people who(hopefully) will finally get affordable health insurance. The rest of us only get the perks(we can't be cancelled on a whim by the insurance company and 85% of our premium money must be spent on health care not on CEO pay. Our Congress and President get enough of our money. Why would you want them to get subsidized health care too?
Concerning ACA / Obamacare, have read several articles on major news sites that describe "eligibility gap" and many who were to benefit from ACA now being ineligible. Also, articles about how Obama approved exemptions and special subsidy payments to Administration staff and Congressional staff since they felt they had to pay too much. Seems that ACA is helpful to a few and not to many and raising costs for all. Prohibition was law of USA at one time and was later repealed when found ineffective. Seems ACA is on same path.
Once the tea party appeals to democrats and independents and not to just republicans I will take them seriously. Be against all the corporate welfare that dwarfs the social welfare and military spending and useless wars and then I would believe that you are not just the crazy right wing of the Republican party. Add getting money and lobbyists out of politics and I sign up today.
When will the Goverment go in complete shut down ?
Unbelievable that some of the folks posting think the shutdown and its consequence are Obama's doing.
GOP reps courted the Tea Party constituency during their campaigns by portraying a shutdown as a goal. Have you forgotten the newscasts of TP crowds chanting "Shut'er down! Shut'er down!"? Some GOP congressmen were reported to be absolutely "giddy" that the shutdown actually started. This shutdown is owned entirely by the GOP and that coward Boehner values his grip on the gavel more than the country he allegedly serves.
Obama is completely in the right by not succumbing to extortion politics. As bad as the shutdown is, the precedent of yielding to a hostage-taking minority would be more serious, and could be the end of our democracy.
Boehner saying Obama is responsible for the shutdown is like a kidnapper who's shot his hostage saying it was not his fault because he had to do it when the ransom wasn't paid.
Obama doesn't have to kiss tea party rear ends, Obamacare is Law! This shut down has been planned for months. The tea party and Conservative Republicans are doing everything in their power, to ruin this country.
Now Boehner has decided to cut Medicare and SS, because the Republicans can't cut Obamacare.
And well the president should refuse. 8.5 million people in the first week, America wants this some are dying to get it quite literally.
Don't give in to these terrorist Mr. President.
There is a huge fallacy that even if the courts rule on something that somehow Congress cannot unfund something. Um, these Representatives are doing just that, representing. They ran on getting rid of Obamacare and their constituents voted for them.
So Congress is not only correct in their demand but also in budget. If the money isn't there, and it hasn't been for some time, then defunding a program to help in balancing the budget is the right call.
Sorry Libs, this country was built on the intention of Small Government, not the Nanny State.
Stand your ground Mr. President. In 2012, the GOP lost 8 House Seats, slimming their majority down to 33 Seats (Down from a 49 Seat Majority). This includes the seats taken by Teapublicans. Stand your ground and in less than one year, the American voters will shed another 50-60 Republicans and give you both Houses of Congress. STAND YOUR GROUND. AMERICA DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
Negotiating with terrorists only creates more terrorism. We already have a legislative process, and nothing has changed about it. If GOP politicians don't like Obamacare or any other law, they need to go through that legislative process to change it. This is an entirely separate issue from their more basic job of funding the government. They are trying to use the power of their positions to betray the American people, and force changes to laws they don't like in a way that bypasses the legislative process. This can't be allowed. Governing by terrorism is no way to run a country. It subverts democracy. The shutdown is not a two party issue, it is a frightening power grab that is hurting millions of Americans. The real "conversation" going on right now should be "how can be pass laws that will make this sort of behavior punishable by imprisonment?"
To answer Richard Martin's question about participation in the ACA, the reason why Congress and the President are "exempt" from the ACA is very simple. They are already receiving fully government-funded healthcare and have been for years. They HAVE health insurance.
The ACA is for people who do not have health insurance due to a myriad of reasons. The ACA makes obtaining health insurance affordable for a young single person who is a "part-timer" on their employers books (which keeps big corporations like WalMart from having to provide health insurance to its employees since the laws stated all "full-timers" HAD to have insurance offered to them by their employers, which would cost those corporations money.) The ACA also makes it illegal for anyone to be turned down insurance benefits due to a pre-existing condition. The ACA also makes it illegal for a woman to be denied birth-control options if she requests it (even if the woman is insured through her employer and her employer doesn't believe in birth-control, and no I am NOT TALKING ABOUT abortions and no, the ACA does NOT allow for abortion coverage so please don't anyone start saying that!)
The health insurance Congress and the President have for themselves and their families are a part of a "Universal" type healthcare system. Our tax dollars pay for all of their doctor appointments, lab tests, surgeries, anesthesia, etc..., everything that people with employer provided health insurance get nickeled and dimed for, for Congress and the President, it’s all paid for. When they go to the doctor or have a surgery, they do not get the bill because their healthcare is all taken care of. This is the kind of system Democrats ideally wanted for EVERYONE; but, before anyone could ever hope to hammer out any kind of details on how to make that kind of system work in our country for everyone, the very idea was labelled by the Republicans and Fox News as Socialist. Some have even called that kind of system communist and with those kinds of names, people automatically gives it a negative connotation. If that system is good enough for Congress, why are the Republicans so against the rest of us having the same kind of access to healthcare that they enjoy? This should be the question everyone should be asking. By telling all of us that we would have to wait 6 months for a doctor appointment and that we wouldn't be able to pick our own doctors, the Republicans have completely scared us all to death of having a single-payer healthcare system in this country. THEY don't have all of the problems that they profess WE would have if we had the same system they enjoy, so why would it be so bad for the rest of us is what I want to know?
So, instead of all of us having the exact same healthcare that Congress and the President enjoy, the healthcare reform that we ended up with, the compromise that was struck, is the ACA law as we now know it.
What people fail to understand is that the ACA is a law that was passed a few years ago now and its constitutionality was upheld by the Supreme Court led by a relatively conservative chief justice consenting with the law rather than being on the dissenting side. Romney ran on dismantling the ACA and lost. If the majority of the country really wanted to dismantle the ACA, then the majority of the country would have voted for Romney and Obama would have been a one-term president. If Republicans STILL want to dismantle the ACA, there is a legal procedure for doing so. Saying "we won't fund the entire rest of our government unless you dismantle or delay the ACA" (which is being funded by other means and not the appropriations that are a part of the CR they should have already passed) is NOT proper procedure for changing or canceling any law.
So why, did we need healthcare reform anyway? Why do we have the ACA? We NEEDED some kind of healthcare reform because, lets face it, the old way was NOT working EFFECTIVELY for many Americans. If the old system had worked effectively, people would not have been denied coverage based on a condition that a doctor diagnosed them with, people would not have been cancelled because of a diagnosis, ALL people could have afforded to have healthcare coverage, and no one would have gone bankrupt because of doctor bills, hospital stay bills, treatment bills, etc...
So, bottom line...our "leaders" are not leading right now. They NEED to pass a clean continuing resolution and raise the debt ceiling and then get their butts back to the table and discuss ways to continue cutting how much money the government wastes.
In the beginning, the Tea Party wanted this shutdown. That makes them terrorists. Now, they claim that they want the shutdown ended. That makes them cowards, as well. Then again, what terrorist isn't a coward?
when is the medias going to stop doing a disservice to the public by saying both parties are to blame.
It is not about showing you are neither left or right media. It is about facts
And the facts are the tea party republicans planned this and are responsible
This effort to not appear biased takes away from the truth of the story.
There is not plenty of blame to go around. This is all on the tea party republicans
come on cnn, you can do better
There was a in the 1860's a civil war. Back then the Republicans won. History has a tendency to repeat itself. Perhaps the president would have preferred the Democrats to have won in the 1860's, but he would not be president now. Fact is, we have always been on the side of freedom and the Democrats, have always been our opponents.
We will make America’s President fail.
We will make America fail.
We will block everything that America’s President tries to do so he will fail.
We will hold the country hostage until we win the White House.
We will make Americans suffer until they vote for us.
We will continue doing this until a Republican is elected to the White House.
I think we never should have gotten to the point of a shutdown. America re-elected President Obama so apparently they did not mind Obamacare. The Republicans need to quit holding that and cuts to Social Security as their negotiating points. Having worked in Healthcare most of my life on the financial side, I agree that people need insurance. There are so many people that can afford insurance but prefer not to take a policy out because they think they will not have a major illness. Please quit scaring the elderly with the threat of no money for Medicare and Soc Sec and making additional cuts. I don't know why some Congressmen have problems with people being able to get a few screening tests at no cost. If people get the proper treatment early it will be cheaper in the long run. Stop acting like 3 yrs old fighting over a toy. I personally think that Congress should not be paid until the reach an agreement. Both parties. Maybe then some would be more willing to give in. It can't always be the Democrats making concessions which the last time this happened it was Obama that gave in. Please, I beg you, stop making the US a laughing stock and scaring the elderly, and just end this circus.I don't remember anyone ever refusing to work with other members like the Republican's have over the past 6 years. It's just ridiculous.
Who is this guy kidding. "implementing" obamacare? That wasn't what started this at all. Talk about revisionist talking points. The real fact: The TEA PARTY is killing U.S. jobs with this shut down. Over 1,000,000. Businesses can't plan, can't hire if the Tea party keeps eyedropper feeding the basis of hiring and creating the entrepreneurial engine of this great nation. The tea party is a dark stain on this country. It has to end.
Before Obamacare, it was social security, and medicare, and medicaid, but trillions for war is okay. This guy is drinking his own swill.
The Tea party claims they love the US constitution but they refuse to honor the 14th ammendment section 4 which states.
...the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.”
Heck...make this shutdown permanent...things are better this way.
The Republican Party made a deal with the devil by embracing the "Tea Party". This group of radicals are not interested in making government work and need to have funding from the GOP pulled back and voted out in future elections. Trying to change the results of an election that was decided and derail program was previously approved and upheld by the Supreme Court is beyond contempt. If you have issues with a piece of legislation reform the parts you don't like within the system.
People keep forgetting that the Affordable Care Act **IS** the compromise with the far right! The left wanted single-payer universal health care, but the right said "a thousdand times, NO." So, "Obamacare" was the compromise. Now the right wants further compromises, or to get rid of it altogether. How can you meet someone "in the middle" when they keep reneging and retreating, and moving the middle ground ever further and further to the right?
What is going to happen when Social Security stops and Veterans benefits stop?
People do not starve quietly.
So, Repuglicans... Just Decline Federal Funding and refuse Medicaid as you have !
HEY Boehner, How To CUT Spending Quick !
Cut Off ALL FEDERAL MONEY To ALL RED STATES against Federal ACA Program.
The 25 percent on SSI.... Will Die quickly.
The 35 percent on Food Stamps will Die Next.
The 32 percent on Medicaid will Die Last.
The REMAINDER will leave because they will have nobody to Do Their Work @ $6 an hour no bennies!
Just a simple reminder that Obamacare and the individual mandate originally proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation, endorsed by Dole and Gingrich in the 90s, and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP nominee.
Republicans, you lost the vote in Congress for Obamacare, you lost the election, and you lost the Supreme Court case. You LOST. There is nothing to negotiate. Quit acting like spoiled children and do your jobs.
Perhaps if you had cared more about the health of Americans than flushing trillions on a wild goose chase in Iraq during the Bush regime, we wouldn't be in this mess.
The baggers are all now saying that they don't want a shutdown or for the treasury to hit the debt ceiling. Over the past 2-3 days much has come out that this shutdown strategy has been in the works for months, creating talking points about the ACA being a bust, about the debt ceiling being no big deal, that spending is out of control, that the overall debt to getting bigger–when it really skrinking– but most of all the baggers want the shutdown because they hate any form of government but they don't want to be blamed. They are liars, first class liars.beginning to end.
Both SIDES equally to blame for the shutdown, anyone saying otherwise is just another PARTISAN hack, political party and political loyalty over Country PERIOD.
and the obamamob of America haters just keep up their LIBERAL VITRIOL LIES AND HATE toward the Real Americans
There hasn't been an actual budget since the first months of Obama's first term....which is a FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP on his part. Changing the rules of so you can get away with using "continuing resolutions" is not "leadership"...not even close. It's ironic that the Democrats claimed that George W kept the wars "off the books" by funding them with continuing resolutions but they have been funding the entire United States government for over 5 years doing the exact same thing now. What a bunch of hypocrites.
What is there to negotiate?
The ACA was passed, signed into law, upheld by the Supreme Court, Obama was re-elected after campaigning on it and the GOP doesn't like it so they want to undo it.
Are these people really that stupid?
The democrats gave up a lot of spending in negotiations to avoid the sequester. Then the GOP screwed us anyways.
Now they want to have their way by defunding the ACA, and a number of other things.
You LOST the last election – get over it. The Koch brothers do not get to buy the results they want – they get one vote each, like the rest of us – nothing more.
T. Hunt (9:39 a.m.), that was a quite good summary of the major facts about the ACA rationale and implementation (a tad verbose perhaps but forgivable under the circumstances).
Of course, this will have no effect on the hyper-partisan baggers and RWNJs. And you're preaching to the liberal/progressive choir, it goes without saying. We can only hope that truly objective, non-partisan independents will take heed but they seem to be in very short supply these days.
Obama won the white house. Republicans won the House of Representatives. The constitution gives them the authority to set the budget and control spending. They are doing that. Get over it dems, stop your crying. They are using the leverage afforded them by law. 60% of Americans disagree with Obamacare right now.. Get rid of it.
if mr. adams wants to defund something let it be the billion dollars a year of public money that goes to professional sports by stripping them of their classification as non-profit. I am sure obama would sign that. It would make an excellent compromise....then pass budget....
Partial solution to several problems:
"No member of Congress shall serve consecutive terms."
Republicans have planned this. This way they can destroy the recovery and attack The affordable care act at the same time. They don't want a recovery. That's why they argue about the improving jobs numbers. They have done everything they can to destroy a recovery. All the speaker has to do is hold a vote and the shutdown is over, but he won't. It proves extortion.
The president has veto power. Republicans are ignoring that fact. It's up to congress to come up with a plan that the executive won't veto.
I don't see what healthcare plan the GOP /Tea Party has to offer except for you to die on the stretcher. They care if you live or die....they have many nice healthcare plans the Gov has for them to choose from. Plus they even have a Dr at the on call at the capital building for minor things like Flu shots, sore throats, ect. And with the money they make...even while they send this country into finacial ruin....they are still making money to pay for there care.
This tea party – led republican tactic is (to me) a completely unacceptable method of governance, and I do not care how many times it has been done before. 100 wrongs don't make a right. But I take solace in the fact that this episode may well be the cinderblock that breaks the camel's back, 'cause I'm guessing the RNC is laying the groundwork on how to punt the TP of of the republican party altogether b/c they are too big a liability. As such, it will be the end of the tea party as we know it, and perhaps the republican party as well.
The TEA Party caused the shutdown by trying to legislate by extortion and taking the government hostage. Established law cannot be altered by the TEA party Congress unilaterally. End the #TEAPARTYshutdown.
TEA Party lies by confusion. BUDGET and SPENDING have been previously negotiated over budget ceiling and shutdown negations. NEVER previously established law.
In my state the psycho GOP governor is claiming credit for the economic recovery while at the same time slamming President Barack Obama for economic growth that isn't robust enough. GOP LIES.
We need an amendment to recall any elected official, so we don't have to wait for next election. We vote for them, then we can recall them if they don't do their job.
“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”
“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.” Senator Obama
I'm independent voter but Republicans and Bohner have my thumb up -first time in a long haul.
According to the president – First -no negotiation on Obamacare; Second no negotiation on debt ceiling.
What happened to then senator Obama patriotism and burden to our children and NO to debt ceiling?
The good Protestant Germans of the 1930's liked how the Nazi Party did their evil deeds in ways that allowed the general population to claim complete innocence. Likewise, America current day Christians like to use the GOP to further their self-serving agendas, while maintaining their claim to a Moral life.
The GOP could not further their Wealthy Leaning agenda, without these fine Christians who value a few percentage points over Jesus' call to action. As such the GOP is just another poorly scripted cable show, which needs a name for which they should consider "Conservatives Gone Wild" which is not as good as "Patriotic Sons of Anarchy".
Having served with US ships for many years, and having many friends in the US, it distresses me to see the mess the government has itself in. Perhaps a change in your Constitution is required. In the Parliamentary system we use in Canada, the Governor General has the power to dissolve Parliament if it is not functioning and return the problem to the people through a general election. I am not aware of that facility in the US and do believe it is needed at this time.
I can't comprehend that this furloughed worker will still be paid their time off, while not doing anything. And that is our tax money. This shutdown Make no sene to me. You closed the park and some offices but still pay the worker? If I am the one who is under furloughed I would have my vacation in Caribbean till this stupidness is over. The real victim here is not the furloughed worker but the ordinary people who are relying on government services. Man I love to go to Yosemite , I want to go to museums, I want my loan for FHA to be approved abruptly. I wish our congress will realized that they are depriving other citizen of their rights by doing this stupid game.
**** I LOVE THIS......
Sorry Libs, this country was built on the intention of Small Government, not the Nanny State....
And all the welfare states are Red Republican states,
Whats interesting is that GOP supporters like to chant...Smaller Government, over and over.
Never in our history have we had 250 Million people living in America.
When Repubs scream for smaller government, what they realy mean is...
No rules
no safety
no regulations
Corporations can do what they want at the expense of the
middle class.
You smaller government idiots would let the corporations
bleed you dry.
IDIOTS !!!!
This nonsense needs to end now.
I am amazed that nearly every single post on Obamacare, the budget deficit, etc completely ignores the most important part: WE CAN'T PAY FOR ANY OF THIS! If anyone thihnks we can, please let us know how.
No one terrorist or terrorist organization has been able to accomplish what the Tea Party has done, and that is bringing our government to its knees. Their terrorist tactics are dispicable, and WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS! It is not Obamacare that we need to get rid of. It is the Tea Party that needs to go. Extortion is a crime. Why is it that these Republicans are not seen as the extortionists that they are and arrested and jailed?
@tTHE TRUTH HURTS-Many still believe it's free. The rest believe the government hasn't harvested the money tree yet.
Isn't Ted Cruz a Cuban citizen, by virtue of his dad's birth? So he's a Canadian AND a CUBAN who dislikes American government and is trying to destroy it. Maybe he's a mole. The Republican Party, if it wants to retain its existence, needs to split and spin off the Tea Party to its own party. These guys serve in the government to take care of business in a timely manner, which they have not. This is America–we don't have government by extorsion.
Obama & the democrats really created this problem, by spending too much. The House is not obligated to raise the debt limit. So yes, they are holding it hostage until spending cuts are made.
And no- I don't hold past Republican leaders blameless for irresponsible borrowing.
So if Boehner and the guys on the far right really believe Obamacare is so bad that they're willing to shutdown the government to defund/repeal/end it, why don't they just own up to that? Why blame Obama and the dems for the shutdown? If they truly believe it, own it.
Don't fart and blame the dog.
This shutdown will go on as long as the K. Brothers need oversight from government agencies offline. As soon as the timeframe in which the oversight was scheduled has passed, tea party conservatives will be allowed to end the shutdown.
Causing the government shutdown and making hundreds of thousands of people struggle to meet their ends with loss of pay, republicans have literally lost 2016 White House bid. The party does not have much time to recover before 2016. No one wants a party dominated by those with childish thinking to win the White House.
T party, you aim everything to prove that Obama causes the economic doom. Forgetting that we started getting on our feet? Now to aim negotiation before the Black Friday is again one of those try. So at least let us note. It is desperately dangerous what you do.
The President and his Republicans, and Democrats need to stop acting like children. The President continues to pay all of the "Government" instead of stopping their pay for the time of the shutdown. If the pay is stopped we may be able to save a great deal of Citizens that depend on SSI,VA Benefits and the government to pay their bills. Personally the President needs to be Impeached.....hes not even a true citizen and the way hes treating the Citizens isnt exactly like we are living in a FREE Country. The President needs to learn hes not a dictator and this isnt a country that he can just make into his own personal dictatorship like hes been trying to do with the worthless Obama care, his non willing to talk with the house, or congress. Along with the lies about his healthcare and not being willing to make sure the Americans get their pay, and are able to live like he and his family. Its ashame we call Obama the leader of the USA.
The problem here is that the "reasonable people here" can't be found. They're nowhere. The Tea Party are a bit aggressive from my point of view. The GOP is all over the place in both their methods and their talking points, but their basic concepts are sound concerning fiscal responsibility. The Democrats are trying to do business as usual and that hasn't work with relation to spending and debt. The President, who should be the adult in the room, treats the House GOP like terrorists because he disagrees with them. Until all parties sit down and actually do something, the American People must demand for communication from their leadership. Whoever doesn't show that they really want to solve issues should be immediately impeached and someone else needs to be placed in their stead. This bickering isn't worth rewriting the Constitution. They are obligated to talk to solve these issues.
This Jennette Hunt who is 70 and gave her opinion – she doesn't know what she's talking about. Wait till
they cut her social security check and then I'd like to hear from her. Obama knows how to speak well
but he doesn't have what it takes to be a PRESIDENT. We all voted for him but now were SORRY. The
beginning of this obamacare is how many workers are now part time in order to get obamacare and then
if they don't get it they will be penalized You gotta be kidding yourself – I'm D but as of today I'm R !!!
I am so tired of hear the GOP say they want to President to negotiate the Affordable Care Act......IT IS THE LAW! It was past in 2010. I know that the TEA PARTY think it is ok to shutdown the government. But the only thing they have done is angered 800,000 voters. These voters will remember this during the mid-term election. In addition, they have shown the American public they don't care about america. TEA PARTy LISTEN!!!!! YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO LOVE YOUR COUNTRY MORE THAN YOU HATE YOUR PRESIDENT!
The US Government gridlock over ACA is just stupid. Who cares who started it? The American people are being PLAYED! Why can't you all see that?
Stop, just for a moment, and try to see things as they are. Decide for yourselves if you want what's best for YOU, or if supporting your political party is your priority. If it's the former, then start by FOLLOWING THE MONEY!
The US healthcare system is pitiful when compared to all the other advanced nations around the globe. Americans spend nearly 2x their GDP for it, while the results are mediocre. Don't believe this? check out the CIA factbook on-line for the data. Does the ACA move towards better service/less cost or not? Hint: FOLLOW THE MONEY!
The GOP talks about cutting spending/less government, but while this sounds good, is it good for the people? Have these practices been good for the people in the past? You have lots of history to draw evidence from. Hint: FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Americans need to take off their Replublican/Democrat rose-coloured glasses and see things for what they are, and the best way to start to see what's really going on is to FOLLOW THE MONEY!
See the common theme here? if you FOLLOW THE MONEY you will soon realize how you're being PLAYED!
Both parties are behaving worse than children while we the people have no control over the crises. Lets have Congress hold their breath to see which one comes up for air. Maybe they could toss a coin. What a bunch of power crazed politicians Both parties are stubborn and wrong.to toy with the Nations business. If they were in the private sector they would all be fired. .
Tea Party End Shutdown; is a good start. One that needs to be followed with Tea Party End Your Childish Tantrums,, and Tea Party End Your Insane Rhetoric, or the the very best one of all; "Tea Party Just End!".
The Guns Over People tea potty Wall Street masters have spoken. Don't mess with the debt ceiling,raise it. When the Koch Brothers wrote that letter sprinting away from the tea potty, they surrendered
It is my understanding that the Tea Party represents 20% of the Republican party, 0% of Democrats, 0%-minus Liberals, and 95% of Conservative America. Could this be true. If so, these folks might get America back on the right track. It seems that the extremist party of Kerry, Reid, Pewlosi, and Obama profess to help the poor and less fortunate while sitting on millions of dollars, living in mansions, and have their own Cadillac Health Care plans. Seems to me that they're more interested in helping themselves to what little bit of money us poor folks have left. Bloodsuckers for sure!
@Chuck Berri: you state "If so, these folks might get America back onthe right track"
What track is that? The Tea Party folks that want to kill the ACA have offered NO alternative plan... just "more of the same", which is expensive and only provides mediocre care. So. my question to you is simple:
Would you be in favour of the ACA if it shows itself to be more cost effective over the long run?
The Guns Over People tea potty shutdown will come home to roost in 2014. Americans have had enough hostage taking of our country.
The current Tea Party Republicans' willingness to hold the country hostage to their demands makes the Weathermen and Symbionese Liberation Army of the 1960s look like choir boys.
There are only three things the TP supports: 1. the rich; 2. making the President look bad; 3. getting reelected by their extremist constituents.
Using the shutdown to try and force negotiations on a LEGALLY PASSED LAW is akin to sedition, period. Negotiations on legislation take place BEFORE they are passed and signed into law. Once approved, there are legal procedures to amend or repeal legislation, all of which have failed up to this point, so now those who want ACA defunded are holding services and benefits of millions of Americans hostage in an attempt to force measures they could not achieve legitimately.
Funny, I thought he negotiated before it became law.
Is anyone keeping track of how many people have been injured or have died because of the actions of the Republican Party? ACA is the result of negotiation *that already happened". Then Obama won an election that Romney and the GoP *explicitly* said about healthcare (and convenently forgetting that Romney had enacted almost exactly the same sort of program as governor). What's more the continuing resolution and appropriations have nothing to do with ACA – the Republic party is completely undermining established constitutional and legal procedure by refusing to fund government operations in order to overturn an existing law. What's worse is the GoP seem to believe they can cynically lie, intimidate and *punish* America for voting for Obama and blame the President (who *already* negotiated in good faith) for this mess..
Reap the whirlwind.
The GOP needs to grow a pair and kick the TeaPublicans out of the party.. See how they do as a 3rd party .... Alas, growing a pair apparently takes time and Boehner first needs "guy surgery" since obviously he has no "member" also ..
Have you ever seen a guy so concerned about his level of "Tan".... and he crys like a schoolgirl .. yep .. a girl in guys clothing ..
The TEA Party started all of this nonsense and now they see what their popularity may be tarnished. After defeating incumbents in elections and putting forth people Like Ted Cruz they are now seeing their popularity start to wane. Perhaps it is time to come back into the fold and work to get government back on track. A little cooperation and compromise is needed now and not this line in the sand.
Jeanette hunt is right. Will the world someday say "Americans were afraid of Al Quaida, but in the end they defeated themselves through stupidity"? The danger here isn't just to ourselves, though. We will bring the world economy to its knees and we will become the most hated country in the world. All because Cruz wants to president and Boehner doesn't want to lose his position as house speaker. Neither of them are fit to serve.
In reading through these letters I am appalled at the general lack of understanding of people who say "we can't afford" Obamacare. Deficit spending originated with Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton balanced the budget, GW blew it on his wars. Yes we need to get our spending in check, but why do Republicans only offer up the poor and lower middle class for sacrifice? How about cutting the tremendous amount of 'pork' from the federal budget? When you go over your own budget to you cut back on food and housing or do you cut bck on non essentials like movies and vacations? Why are we spending millions of dollars on crap? Why do we need a multimillion dollar contract for 'glassware' for US embassies? Serve them out of paper cups! Our whole budget is riddled with these ridiculous expenditures. And it isn't Obama, so just shut up! Its our entire system of funding government where there are too many pigs at the trough. To say that the millions they just contracted out provides 'jobs' is ridiculous. It provides a few jobs; most of the money goes to the over paid 'designer' of 'fine crystal'. Give me a break! Today someone should go through the budget and draw a red line though every expenditure that doesn't provide education, heath, nutrition or the vital services needed to run this country. Glassware and other expenditures in this vain just don't cut it! Cut them all out for 2 years and we would be back on track.
I love how conservatives skew everything. They are mad because memorials and national parks got shut down. They are important but they are tourist spots. I know shutting memorials is disrespectful but it's a memorial, not an agency. Yet, Conservatives are HAPPY that the department of Education, the EPA, NASA, CIA, FBI etc. are furloughed. What would happen if there was a terrorist attack? What about our kids? What about our astronauts floating in space, haven't you seen the movie Gravity?
Conservatives: Stuck in the past, they want war memorials but don't want people doing jobs to help protect our future.
Emails from Boehner to Reid were released a few days ago that clearly showed Boehner telling Reid that they needed to get together to exempt Congress from the requirements that the rest of the country was going to have to follow – subsidies based on income. Boehner went so far as to suggest that they have a meeting with the President about it and tell everyone it was about the immigration issue. When a Republican lawmaker tried to deny the meaning of those emails, he said that they did not characterize Boehners actual feelings on the subject. The lawmaker said that Boehner told him they could use it (Congress exemptions) to screw the Senate later. Apparently this lawmaker was more concerned that the tea party thought they were doing it as an under handed ploy rather than actually thinking that Boehner would want concessions for the members of Congress. I found that to be the most disturbing part of the story. You can google something like Reid's chief of staff releases Boehners emails to read the specifics. Basically, from what the Republican lawmaker indicates, Boehner deliberately setup up the Congressional\staff exemptions just to later pretend they were Senate Democrats ideas and use them as a political ploy. Pretty sick, but not really suprising.
To HaHa You guys are funny: It's probably a little hard to stage a photo op on the International Space station.
"Adams contends that President Obama refuses to negotiate on implementing Obamacare."
Really? Imagine that! who would have thought...!!
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