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October 7th, 2014
05:28 PM ET
Police Smash Car Window, Tase Passenger
Video taken during a traffic stop shows a police officer in Indiana smashing a car window and then tasing a man in the front passenger seat. CNN’s Brooke Baldwin discussed the altercation with CNN’s Legal Analyst, Sunny Hostin and a Security Specialist, Rashid Abdul-Salaam.
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I would like to see Sunny Hostin let go from CNN for the racest comment she made during Ashleigh Banfield's segment today at 12:50 pm of the above story. If a white commentator said what she said on television he would be handing in his / her letter of resignation right now. There was no evidence in that video that the traffic stop was racially motivated, and what she said was absolutely shocking, "If it was YOU that was stopped this wouldn't have happened." THAT was as racist as it gets – if anyone is the racist it is her!. I was offended, and people I work with (a Puerto Rican man and a man from the Philippines both thought her comment was appalling.) What did that story have to do with race? Nothing. She offended many people with her hurtful comments today. CNN seriously should let her go, her words were extremely unprofessional and offended many. In a society which is very racially sensitive a comment such as that should just not slide, to be fair. She should be discliplined. This was not an apology, and I believe she should give one, or better yet, CNN should tell her to leave for her offensive behavior today.
First and foremost Kim watch a couple of YouTube videos of cops being owned to determine if this was not racially escalated. It was! If four white kids dressed in hip hop gear can own a cops in a parking lot in a deserted mall then I agree with sunny racially motivated!
When anyone stopped by the police would LEARN TO FOLLOW DIRECTIONS, just a small incident will not esculate into an out of control situation. This goes for everyone,not just black people. As the saying goes, " you can't fix stupid"
I am so sick of everyone playing the racism card any time the police have to show force. It doesn't matter if they were polka dotted. What they did was wrong. If they were not doing anything wrong the police wouldn't have been there in the first place!
1st and foremost....the police today have a job i would not take if it were the last job n earth! i know there are bad apples in every basket but seriously?? to blame everything on race is just a cop out! you should ask yourself this...why did it take 13 minutes for this to happen...why did this man with his children in the car not ABIDE by the law and do as the lAW requested and set an example to his children and get out of the car??? for all the police knew with him not getting out for something so simple (which i know people WHITES who have been stopped and because the passenger was not wearing a seatbelt and asked for id as it is the law for ALL in the vehicle to wear a seatbelt...and they willingly provided it) the children were in distress etc...police do not stop randomly for a passenger not wearing a seatbelt...there is definately MORE to this story! I bet you this ... if the children were in distress and they did nothing and let them go what woud you all think then??? this whole RACE card is just STUPID and a means to be justify IGNORANCE!!! I agree that there are concerns and amends to be made and investigations into certain situations but my god people this is becoming and every day thing and instead of trying to be a solution they are all becoming a huge problem....
i have family members that are black and JEWISH why is it they never have issues? this is a generation issue and the "chip" on ones shoulder is passed down with a vengeance and it is fed with hatred due to ignorance....this must stop!! we all come from the same cloth it is up to the individual to change the course ....I for 1 am sick and tired of being punished by history's mistakes I was not there and neither were most today so get over it!!!
Here is the controlling law and case Indiana precedent and why the officers were wrong and settled: The next successive statutory provision, Indiana Code Section 34-28-5-3.5, under which Starr was convicted, provides:
A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person’s:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver’s license, if in the person’s possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or
ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor.Starr argues that the Refusal to Identify Self statute may not logically be applied to one who has committed no infraction or violation. In seeking reversal of his conviction, he emphasizes the fact that he was merely a passenger; thus, he lacked personal culpability for a violation related to the operation of the vehicle. STARR V. INDIANA No. 49A04-0912-CR-677
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-pdf-hammond-lawsuit-20141007-htmlstory.html
http://www.theindianalawyer.com/court-refusal-to-identify-law-applies-to-passengers/PARAMS/article/24168
http://www.theindianalawyer.com/court-refusal-to-identify-law-applies-to-passengers/PARAMS/article/24168
The cops had no good reason to ask this guy to get out of the car. He said he didn't have any ID. They could've just asked him to give his information to them orally.
Sunny Hostin suffers from a racial chip on her shoulder that limits her perception and clouds her objectivity. What's worse she has taken to fomenting the ill-advised notion African-Americans are now uniquely unobliged to show their ID when requested by police. Unable to remedy her hair-trigger inclination to talk over others with another point-of-view she constantly runs roughshod over guests uninclined to exchange healthy discourse for her insistent blinders. It's dumbing down time. Time to switch channels.
There is no reason to resist police's order. When asked, just show your ID and be on your way.
Sunny Hostin is full of herself. She wants to be the center of attention at all costs!
I totally agree with the above comments. I'm much more comfortable with police presence on the road
and in neighborhoods. It's definitely time switch channels when it's Sunny time!
CNN Brooke has gone on the dark side letting in 'Sunny Hostin to bring out all the pent up feelings that she has for cops doing their jobs without allowing all the information go out to the public so a rational explanation could be found. Everyday cops are putting their lives on the line with traffic stops, domestic viiolence calls, thefts, assaults, and murders. Not including getting ready for whatever else is going to be part of the job. Yes there a cops who make mistakes and need to be taken to task. Show us the whole story before listening to a rant by Hostin.
I a concerned viewer, would like to know why there was a woman on CNN arguing the "black/Rasist card" when she was clearly a rasist her self. Saying that white people act certain ways, because they are white. Not only was the woman rasist, but she was rude and not a good point of view to argue this opinion. Anybody could use this "defense", however; that is not that problem in everything and everything is not rasist, just an act of best judgement by our police force.
I believe both sides were wrong. The police used excessive force and the adults in the car should have complied and got out of the car. Challenging a police officer's authority as hostile as a white man calling a black man the "N" word. Bottom line, someone has to do the responsible thing in situations like this. Given our current climate, I believe it should start with police officer since they have a myriad of less aggressive options to their disposal.
If an officer asks you several times to step out of a vehicle.. you get out. This just opens the door for anyone to disobey law enforcement and claim they were scared. What kind of example are these parents setting for their kids.
Its funny how all these "escalated" situations lately involved someone first not obeying orders then claiming racism.
Sunny Hostin is a HUGE racist and needs to be fired from CNN. She is still blaming it on racism but it is because they were not following orders. anyone that would not have been following orders would have had the same thing happen to them. She is completely wrong and she is part of what keeps making this a bigger and bigger problem. She needs fired.
JUST GET OUT OF THE CAR!!
I'm Black man and everybody knows you should obey the law. Seatbelts Law is nothing new out there and if the Police ask you to show ID give it to them. If they ask you to step out of the car do it, your cooperation with the police is everything. If you know you already had a problem with the police a citation then why are you not wearing your seat belt. Don't give them any reason to even look at you. First thing everyone is saying Oh the kids that's wrong the parents are showing them how to break the law by using any and every reason they can think of to get out of another ticket. If he had his seatbelt on would we be talking about this right now "No". Stop using the Black Card, she should be reprimand.
This is a perfect example of why many people don't trust the police. There are too many corrupt police officers on the job. They are almost always defended by their cities and co-worker, even when they are wrong. Make an example of those officers that are out of control and bring back some of the trust that is needed. When goo police officers don't stand up to bad police officers it errodes the whole system. Too many stories about officers shooting unarmed civilians, beating up people, and shooting dogs that are not threats. The police officers in this country need to be retrained on how to serve and assist the people in the communities where they work.
He nay have thought the cops were going to shoot him but he made sure they tased him. Plain and simple, don't argue with the cops and do what they tell you and you go home safe.
He had no id so how could comply? Why does a passenger need to show id and/or get out of a car for a routine traffic violation? Abuse of power I say.
Here's a lesson wear your Seatbelt and a never one keep your hands where they can see them (They fear their lives too). You should ask for permission to reach and get things to show them . The lesson from this is it will teach the 17 year how he should respond if he ever gets pulled over.
How many statistics and studies do you need that show Blacks are over-policed and stopped at extraordinary high rates while Whites who are stopped are more likely to have committed an offense or have some type of contraband? Of course this is racial. Its easy to say in any one-off incident that you should just "do what the officer says". But when you know have experienced this for yourself, and you know countless other friends/family members who have as well, its hard to just chalk it up as normal police behavior. All of you who claim its not race...ask yourself why would the officer escalate the situation when the man was not being combative nor did the officer have any reason to fear for his safety? As was stated earlier, the PASSENGER was not violating any law so the officer had no reason or obligation to engage him.
The police were correct and the people were being stupid!
I am not sure why Sunny condones not cooperating with police officers. She obviously lacks street sense. I doubt that she would get away with similar behavior in front of a judge. Maybe that is why she is not in a courtroom. The people, including the children, should have had their seat belts on. People need to cooperate with the police for their own safety. If he doesn't have ID then he could give the police officers his name, social security number and date of birth. If they feel wronged in any way they can take the matter up later.
It's sad that these two adults, I use that term lightly, are teaching their children to disrepect police officers. They will grow up to be terrorists!
When white people go through years of rascism where they get beat in the streets for the color of thier skin then you can complain about us yelling rascism. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not rascism still exists white people have just gotten better at hiding it where black people have been hiding it since we were dragged over here in chains.
This is about MOAN-EE (money). These folks aren't dumb. They know what's going on in Furguson and they see a pay day here. First the police had their own dash-cam so they're not hiding their actions. They asked the passenger 3 times to get out of the car. He had no right to refuse. When he reached into the back seat, how'd the Officers know if there was a weapon back there? They deal with "hot-heads" every single day. And since the kid was filming and there's a Police dash-cam, unlikely this guy is going to be shot cold. UNLESS he's on warrant and has something to hide and is a danger to the Officers. By the way, EVERYONE is required (in most states) to carry some form of ID. Why was he missing his? Secondly, the Driver is nearly hysterical without provcation, EXCEPT for being pulled over. She's making a big deal out of "erratic" directions, but the traffic situation could've been something the officers were dodging for safety. First rule of thumb, when the POLICE ask you to do something, DO IT. Hint: you can be your own worst enemy in these situations. It's about SAFETY not race. Hellow.
People just stop it it's a routine traffic stop for not wearing your seatbelt why are you harrassing people in the car write the driver a ticket and go on about your day. The police officer's life was not in danger and he knows it they were being jerks point blank period I've been pulled over multiple times they've never asked everyone in the car for I.D. They weren't driving illegally she apparently had her liscense they were just trying to harrass people. Not safety race thank you.
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As a minority myself, I fully support actions carried out by police officers. Police officers are as fearful as anyone as evidenced by death of 2 police offers in Indiana. Police officers did not have any options but to break the window to pull him out. What are they supposed to do? Wait all day until he comes out to use the rest room?
After reading different articles about this apparently the young man had to hand over his license due to another unrelated incident. He offered to give the officers the citation stating this but they refused to look at it. Then I guess he was reaching back behind the center console into his book bag to find said citation. The police thought that he was going for a weapon told him to show him their hands at this time their guns were drawn. According to him he was scared for his life because the officers he felt unnecessarily drew their weapons which is why he did not want to get out the car with fear of getting shot.
He had no ID which he informed the officers, will when whites stop justifying police brutality and recognize people as human beings. Maybe when one of their own is killed by police?
if an officer stops you and just tells you get out of the car and doesn't tell you why you were stopped you get out, Really
That Cop should not only be FIRED, but also PROSECUTED !!!!!!! Demand Accountability. That cop is obviously a BRAINLESS JERK who lacks any REAL skills to defuse a situation.
First of all to say that race has nothing to do with what happen is ridiculous. If america can show me equal amount of videos of white americans being harassed in such a manner then I may change my point of view. But the truth of the matter is you will not see an equal amount of videos because white americans has no reason to fear white officers and it is not because all white americans obey the Law either. people have to realize that what has been occurring lately has brought about a fear within the black community. A fear that even I, who have defended all officers no matter the race because of dangerous nature of their jobs, have begun to feel. It would have been easier for the gentleman to get out of the car but fear can not be so easily overcome and anyone with any type of fear should now this.
First of all to say that race has nothing to do with what happen is ridiculous. If america can show me equal amount of videos of white americans being harassed in such a manner then I may change my point of view. But the truth of the matter is you will not see an equal amount of videos because white americans has no reason to fear white officers and it is not because all white americans obey the Law either. people have to realize that what has been occurring lately has brought about a fear within the black community. A fear that even I, who have defended all officers no matter the race because of dangerous nature of their jobs, have begun to feel. It would have been easier for the gentleman to get out of the car but fear can not be so easily overcome and anyone with any type of fear should know this.
It’s sad that people don’t get it. Blinded by their own lopped-sided belief, ideals, sub-cultural norms, etc. No one should be treated like this dude and his family! The cops wouldn’t treat a dog like that! It is so simple and easy. Problem with these cops is with all that power and authority at hand they do not know how to handle it. I’m sick of people talking about how dangerous the job is, don’t do it,no one forced them to join the police department. It’s a job! No different from the one I have. The person in the car an officer stops is a paying client, YUP! A customer! “PLAIN AND SIMPLE”. We can’t continue to defend an authority whom can’t get the directives/objectives straight with are to protect and serve. This man, woman and family were pulled over because of a seatbelt. Both parties were responsible but the police were wrong. Because they were the authority they had the responsibility to diffuse the situation so that all parties walk away unharmed. And because there were children in that back seat those cops do need to be disciplined.
Oh, and I'm glad Sunny said something. All to often we as people don't speak up and call these people of some(false) authority out. Because we have financial responsiblities we are often reserved about our opinions. God Bless, Sunny!
sonny hostin and brooke baldwin are RABBLEROUSERS. hostin make a comment guaranteed to make black masses rise up. baldwin repeats and repeats and repeats that the children were in the car. well folks. the adult driver was responsible for everyone in the vehicle. she should have said, " just step out as he asked". and her children would have learned a lesson that would make them get out of the street when told and not become a michael brown. black mothers mouths are the cause of most of this racial nonsense. well that and HOSTIN AND BALDWIN TYPES.
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Tim,
I'm afraid it's not that simple. When you explain to a police officer that you have a concern with the manner in which he/she is performing their duty, especially after you explain that you are scared of them, the Officer should, at that point, exercise good judgment and common sense. Neither of the officers there did that. As a former officer, I've been trained, have learned and am experienced enough to know that within the first few seconds of interaction with an individual you are going to know immediately whether or not you have to de-escalate a situation or if you are going to escalate it. These officers had plenty of opportunities to deescalate this situation and neither of them exercised good judgment or common sense. At the absolute worst, this violation is a $50.00 fine. Not even a desk appearance ticket. It’s something you don’t even go to court for. The window the officer broke cost more than the ticket and court cost would have. The trouble he went through in order to enforce a seatbelt violation was overkill to say the least.
If you pay attention to the news around the county, far too many BLACK men and women do follow officer’s orders and are still Tased, shot and or abused physically after doing so. The young man and women in the car know this all too well and explained it to the officers and instead of trying to reason with them, the officers chose to use force un-necessarily. You might want to look at the disparity between the way white police officers behave towards and treat blacks and the way they behave towards and treat whites.
Only when you have been in this situation can you comment with authority. When you've never had a police officer treat you with disrespect simply because you are black, you might want to reserve comment. Walk a mile in ones shoes before you pretend to know what you’re talking about. For those of you that maintain that race did not play a part in this, I'm not sure what society you live in, but denial is not a river in Africa. You might want to open your eyes. Regardless of what you would hope for society and man-kind in this country, unfortunately the reality is that there are individuals out there with authority and an ignorance of different cultures and they are filled with prejudices and racism that allows them to do things like this and hide behind their job to justify it.
This could have been a simple, put your seat belts on situation. Why was there a need to have the occupants of this vehicle exit the vehicle if all they were doing was not wearing their seatbelts? Does that make sense to anyone? Please explain if it does. When all you had to do as the officer on the scene was to instruct the individuals to put their seatbelts on. What more was there to do other than that; unless it was your idea that because they are black, they are either wanted for something, hence the idea of asking for their ID, or exit the vehicle because again do to the fact that they are black there must be something illegal in the car. Unfortunately race played not only a major part in this, but it is indicative of law enforcement in this country as a whole. That’s not to say that all white police officers are racist or ignorant, but unfortunately those that are white and not racist, don’t make the new as often as those that are.
I suspect that these folks may have been using the Ferguson situation to excuse getting out of their car, but for goodness sakes the cops could have dealt with the situation better than this.
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Thank you very well put.
To everyone else that feel like it is not a race issue or that black americans have no valid reason to feel frighten, Imagine yourself in predominantly black lower class neighborhood where the crimes of murder, rape, theft, and muggings are occurring at a high rate. There are also hard working citizens, honest and God fearing individuals, as well as other non-black residence, but your knowledge of the news reports and statistics deems this place crime central. This is the only route you can take. It is 9:00 @ night and your car cuts off so you roll to the curb only to have your tire flatten by some type of sharp object. Your car will not crank and your tire is flat. there are two black gentlemen ahead one you can sort of see one and the other one is covered by the darkness of the night. There is no power in your cell phone battery and you do not have OnStar. There is a store just around the block but you have extremely valuable goods on your person and in your vehicle.You are alone and you do not know anyone in the neighborhood. and all you can think about is what the news reports was saying just last night about this very area and that you are white. You say within yourself OMG what is going to happen to me if I get out of this car? I want you all to give this some serious thought and know that this is how many black americans are feeling right now as it pertains to white law enforcement officers they are not all bad but because of the evidence that has proven that violent acts are being carried out by white police officers on black citizens. no one can tell who the villain is. All that is known, is that they are white with legitimate badges, shields, tasers, guns, billy clubs and reasons to pull you over. And in the mind of the black individual being pulled over is Michael Brown, John Crawford III, Levar Jones and that I am black and I value my life.They are saying within themselves OMG what is going to happen to me IF I GET OUT OF THIS CAR? These acts being carried out on black individuals are as racist as the mindset of the individual carrying them out. even if the individual would not consider himself to be a racist, the fear that is present primarily because the citizen is black is evidence that they are a racist.
Sunny is one of the very brightest lights that you have at CNN. Always poised and dignified and well versed on the issues. The conversation was interesting and demonstrated the unfortunate schism with respect to both race and gender is the US. The 'reporter' referred to the Black nucleur family as 'these people' who have now filed a law suit. Ashleigh Banfield chimed in with 'as a woman I was told that if I was being stopped, I could drive to a populated area and then stop'. As a Black woman, I was never told such a thing - and as an attorney I am not at all aware of such a law, rule or protocol. I would dare say that the result for me not be a good one in the event I kept proceeding in the event police officers were trying to pull me over. It was also interesting that Paul Callan is able make the pronouncement that race was not a factor and deemed correct and dispositive of the issue , whereas Sunny Hostin's journalistic integrity has been challenged for stating that race was a factor. The data supports Sunny Hostin's concerns. The video supports Sunny Hostin's right to be unsettled and upset at the brutality shown this family during a 'routine' traffic stop. CNN has noticeable thinned its ranks of Black journalists and thus limited viewpoints are expressed on the network. Thank goodness you have Sunny Hostin, Esq. among your ranks.
THIS OFFCER HAS AN ANGER MANAGER PRBLEM AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED IF THE MAN HAD
GOTTEN OUT HE WOULD HAVE BEATEN
Being a retired police officer and a forensic investigator this case appears to be a case of racial profiling. The police are there to serve and protect our citizens no matter what color they are. While being a forensic investigator I was given many cases involving police officers, fireman, attorneys, and so on. I found that because these people were considered special I was suppose to find through my investigation, they were not guilty of the alleged offense. However I can't do that if I found that they were the person that caused the problem that I was investigating I made sure that they were charged with the offenses. Being a police officer is not an easy job and comes with many emotional restraints and the ability to maintain yourself properly and do what you were hired for, TO SERVE AND PROTECT. In todays world there are many many police officers who can do that and more. But there are some that can not and there for put a black mark on the rest of the good officers. The officers in Hammond were totally out of line and did not have a reason to do what is shown on the video. Corruption is ramped in many depts. and I feel it is time that our officials start taking a close look at who they hire and not be afraid of the FOP. Next I feel that the Justice Department or what ever government agency would have jurisdiction start doing investigations and firing the problem officers promptly not a year later. There is a saying we use to say, TO CATCH A CROOK YOU MUST THINK LIKE A CROOK.
The long and short of this is to get rid of cops that have problems and do it now before some else gets killed.
Sunny Hostin should be fired immediately for being a racist bigot. She literally makes me nauseous to hear ignorant psychotic nonsense. She is paranoid and in my opinion...flat out STUPID!!! Black people are using the Ferguson story as just another excuse to be non-compliant with law enforcement. If they would do what they were asked and quit trying to immediately use the race card, they would have ZERO reason to be "scared". another pathetic attempt from the black community to try and further their agenda of being criminals and lazy losers.
Not at all impressed with Sunny Hostin, according to her everything is about race. And in some cases it probably is, but these officers just reacted to lack of cooperation, if they were white the officer would of done the same thing.
Maryland vs. Wilson stated "due to the inherent danger of traffic stops, he may order the passengers out of a vehicle in any lawful stop".....if the stop was made for a seatbelt violation by the driver, the stop is lawful. The passenger created the situation and deserved what he got.
Sunny is a joke,i watchs CNN everyday to watch Sunny get her ass handed to her,i never have seen a news person get all the facts wrong all the time,this lady has no clue and makes all CNN look bad,this is a great show, so why are you letting Sunny bring the show level down to a joke,if a white person talked on the show and acted like her they would be fired.
Sunny will make a fool of herself again at 8 pm,for a good laugh watch CNN.
Sunny Hostin the racist should be fired, her personal beliefs are stunning, and should not be heard. Try reporting the fact's and not your personal opinions CNN.
Right on the money Jack, CNN open your eyes.
Sunny Hostin needs to go...nothing but a racist. If she's so proud being black she should lose the wig and skin lightener and stop imitating a white woman..there are many, many beautiful black women that wear their ethnicity with pride, unlike yourself, Hostin.
Sunny Hostin is so one sided , she is driving me to Fox News which I despise . Why would CNN employ such a woman with racist views?
CNN, how could you hire someone who cannot see past the end of her nose, Sunny Hostin, is ALWAYS RIGHT and everyone with another opinion on the panel is ALWAYS WRONG. Her opinions clearly go waaay past 'racism against blacks' and straight to some inner hatred that she cannot control. The woman needs therapy to face her inner demons. Life constantly on the attack,/ or defensive is no way to live. I have come to a point that when she is on, I just change the channel.I really do hope she can become "comfortable in her skin"
They should I open the door . It just goes to show you how much fear exists . I also think it had to do with a lot of disrespect to .
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